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From a pure performance/$ perspective, FX chips only have value when overclocked IMO. The FX-6300 and FX-8320 represent the greatest opportunity in the value arena when overclocked. When they are not overclocked, they are OFTEN beat by the i3-4130 in gaming. Even with the FX overclocked to 5ghz, there are STILL games that will run better on the i3-4130 (but the margin is narrow enough at that point that it no longer matters).

I've been a bit surprised at the real-world performance scaling of these chips when overclocked and performance tuned. Some game engines present very counter-intuitive performance scaling opportunities, where once you are "over" a particular minimum cut-in point for performance, the scaling above that point picks up significantly. (this seems to be the case with game engines that pack more than one job into the same "thread" that should have been split, but for technical reasons, could not be at the time the game engine was developed.)

As an example, the performance of the FX-6300 in Supreme Commander 2, scales from being skippy and annoying at base clocks, with the game pulling back from real-time at under 1000 units, to being buttery smooth up to ~3000 units @5ghz. Basically, from the perspective of this game, the FX chips are useless unless performance tuned beyond 4.5ghz. By contrast, this type of poorly optimized game will run fine all the way out to the maximum 4000 units on an i3/i5 haswell at stock clocks.

So then the question is, will your brother overclock this rig? If not, an i5 on a B85 board would be a better value.
     
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From a pure performance/$ perspective, FX chips only have value when overclocked IMO. The FX-6300 and FX-8320 represent the greatest opportunity in the value arena when overclocked. When they are not overclocked, they are OFTEN beat by the i3-4130 in gaming. Even with the FX overclocked to 5ghz, there are STILL games that will run better on the i3-4130 (but the margin is narrow enough at that point that it no longer matters).

I've been a bit surprised at the real-world performance scaling of these chips when overclocked and performance tuned. Some game engines present very counter-intuitive performance scaling opportunities, where once you are "over" a particular minimum cut-in point for performance, the scaling above that point picks up significantly. (this seems to be the case with game engines that pack more than one job into the same "thread" that should have been split, but for technical reasons, could not be at the time the game engine was developed.)

As an example, the performance of the FX-6300 in Supreme Commander 2, scales from being skippy and annoying at base clocks, with the game pulling back from real-time at under 1000 units, to being buttery smooth up to ~3000 units @5ghz. Basically, from the perspective of this game, the FX chips are useless unless performance tuned beyond 4.5ghz. By contrast, this type of poorly optimized game will run fine all the way out to the maximum 4000 units on an i3/i5 haswell at stock clocks.

So then the question is, will your brother overclock this rig? If not, an i5 on a B85 board would be a better value.

This^

The value of AMD CPUs is when they are overclocked. But you do need to get a decent board to get decent overclocks. Not some random 970 board, but seeing as you're eyeing out the 990fx pro that should be able to take those CPUs to a decent overclock.

Also take into consideration that there is a chance that you might get a cpu that's a crappy overclocker! It is called the silicon lottery for a reason wink.gif


Also you have to consider cooling, you won't get far with a stock cooler, and you def won't have any miracles with the 212 evo that I suggested, so you really have to invest in a good cooling solution.
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post #23 of 31
On another note here's another perspective:

I built a pc for my little brother who just wanted to play minecraft and stuff like that, and for basic web browsing and crap like that.
We had an old am2+ abit an-m2 board with a single core Athlon 64, that was suiting in a closet. I found a am3 Athlon x3 450 for $20, a rosewill matx case for $22, an old gts 8800 312mb for $20, and 6gb of ddr2 that I found.
Anyways that thing cost less than the 1tb hard drive that my dad got for this build. And you know what he's happy with it! He has a place to play minecraft and browser games!


If he's not looking for super duper awesome performance, I would even advocate for the Athlon x4 760K! An unlocked quad core decent for gaming. That paired with a 750ti is a pretty decent budget gaming rig! With the money saved buy some games! Hahaha I spent all my money on parts and don't have a budget set aside to buy any titles, so I just play planetside 2. Anyways I digress here check this video out explaining what I mean:

http://youtu.be/lpGfA6g0-0Y

Haha sorry for my super cheap perspective! If that's unappealing then disregard this post, just want to show an even cheaper alternative smile.gif


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Thread Starter 
Sorry for late reply

No he isn't going for anything amazing in terms of graphics. I just don't want to get a huge performance hit from the CPU like 20+ FPS.
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post #25 of 31
Look for a used i7 2600k/2700k/i7 3770k and a z77/z68 mobo only if his games are cpu demanding(otherwise a fx at 5/4.7ghz should suffice)

Maybe some games would take advantage of mantle/multithreads and the fx 8320 should have better performance
Edited by PontiacGTX - 3/23/14 at 2:57pm
post #26 of 31
It really depends on the type of games, an i3 4130 is not adequate for BF4 64 players and not very future proof for triple A titles. In older games an 8320 will usually get 60+FPS anyway. Newer games with older engines and lower budget free to play games are where the i3 will really have a tangible advantage. It also depends on whether power efficiency is important.
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Hmm, I am now starting learning to the i5, I wonder if I can get a 2500k which is what I have and very happy with but it seems like they are almost at the same price point as the 4670k. Because I don't want to mess with overclocking for him since I won't be close by him if anything goes bad and that I won't be able to reach him and fix it for him.
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Hmm, I am now starting learning to the i5, I wonder if I can get a 2500k which is what I have and very happy with but it seems like they are almost at the same price point as the 4670k. Because I don't want to mess with overclocking for him since I won't be close by him if anything goes bad and that I won't be able to reach him and fix it for him.
Get the newer i5 over the 2500k. As much as I luv dem sandy bridges, the newer architecture is going to last longer in bed wink.gif
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Get the newer i5 over the 2500k. As much as I luv dem sandy bridges, the newer architecture is going to last longer in bed wink.gif

Do you know a good but cheap motherboard that goes with 4670? I don't want anything fancy, I won't overclock just need to be reliable and has 6.0Gb/s Sata
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GIGABYTE G1.Sniper B5 or ASRock Fatal1ty B85 Killer, (both ATX); Great B85 boards for a non-OCing build. Top-notch onboard audio, good looks, heatsunk VRMs, 4xSATA III + 2xSATA II, 4xDIMM slots. ~$100 for either.

Less expensive: Gigabyte GA-B85M-D3H microATX. ~$80

Cheapo: BIOSTAR Hi-Fi B85S3+. probably the best really cheap 1150 socket board ~$60
Edited by mdocod - 3/24/14 at 9:02pm
     
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