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post #1 of 17
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My Current Set Up:

Specs:
HP dc7800 Small Form Factor
Processor Type: Intel Core 2 Duo E6550 @2.33GHz
Process Speed: 2333/1333
Memory Size: 1024 MB DDR2/667 MHz/Dual Channel 512MB x2
Harddrive: 80GB

I plan on upping RAM to 4GB and going to Win 7 64-bit in a month or 2...


Came across a Saphire HD 6450 1GB card w/LPB and was thinking of throwing it in there to hold me over until I get the 4gb's of RAM and upgrade to Win 7 64BIT..

What do you think? Will I realize power gains?


Better yet, will I notice any difference at all?



holla


oNe
post #2 of 17
It depends. If you play games or do any video/photo editing or things of that nature which utilize a graphics card, an upgrade will make a noticeable difference. It will not, however, make general tasks any faster. You'd be better off either upgrading memory or changing platforms to a Core i3/AMD APU/AMD FX or something faster.
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Originally Posted by rockgod213 View Post

It depends. If you play games or do any video/photo editing or things of that nature which utilize a graphics card, an upgrade will make a noticeable difference. It will not, however, make general tasks any faster. You'd be better off either upgrading memory or changing platforms to a Core i3/AMD APU/AMD FX or something faster.

So basically, if I change nOTHING at all from above.. keep my system as it currently is..

The only gain I will see by adding a graphic card at this point is that I will be able to play games that I have not been able to play with my integrated graphics...


RIGHT?


oNe
post #4 of 17
Quote:
Originally Posted by Phabeon View Post

So basically, if I change nOTHING at all from above.. keep my system as it currently is..

The only gain I will see by adding a graphic card at this point is that I will be able to play games that I have not been able to play with my integrated graphics...


RIGHT?


oNe

A little.

Even with a video card, your RAM will likely bottleneck any remotely modern games. DDR2 is slow, and you only have 1GB at the moment.

What are you using this pc for? What sort of games do you play? Honestly this is getting into the territory where it might be better to just get a newer machine than trying to upgrade.
post #5 of 17
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Originally Posted by Yorkston View Post

A little.

Even with a video card, your RAM will likely bottleneck any remotely modern games. DDR2 is slow, and you only have 1GB at the moment.

What are you using this pc for? What sort of games do you play? Honestly this is getting into the territory where it might be better to just get a newer machine than trying to upgrade.

at this point, I will take any game that I can play!! Total War Shogun II is what I'm shooting for..

Its a small form factor so my upgrade options are very limited.. which is why I went with the HD 5450.


However, in the next month, I am upping this machine to 4GB Ram, HD 6450, and Win 7 64-bit.

I have 4 of these machines, but am saving up to "build" a dream machine..

Would $500 Give me a nice machine?? Want to play games like TF: Fall Of Cybertron, Ass Creed III, Battlefield 3..

oNe
post #6 of 17
The main problem you will face is that you are upgrading a dead socket and a dead ram technology. In most cases DDR3 can be had cheaper than DDR2. You'd be best off to start saving money to build a new system from the ground up. You could go something like this in the $500ish range

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3iJ94
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3iJ94/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3iJ94/benchmarks/

CPU: AMD FX-6350 3.9GHz 6-Core Processor ($124.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper TX3 54.8 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($17.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock 960GM/U3S3 FX Micro ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($53.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($72.00 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($54.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7770 1GB Video Card ($105.38 @ Newegg)
Case: Fractal Design Core 1000 USB 3.0 MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($37.99 @ Micro Center)
Power Supply: XFX 550W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($50.99 @ TigerDirect)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($14.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $533.31
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-03-29 19:52 EDT-0400)

This does not include the cost of your OS- you can figure another $100 for Win 7 or 8.
post #7 of 17
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Originally Posted by buzzbuzzbuzz View Post

The main problem you will face is that you are upgrading a dead socket and a dead ram technology. In most cases DDR3 can be had cheaper than DDR2. You'd be best off to start saving money to build a new system from the ground up. You could go something like this in the $500ish range

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3iJ94
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3iJ94/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3iJ94/benchmarks/

CPU: AMD FX-6350 3.9GHz 6-Core Processor ($124.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper TX3 54.8 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($17.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock 960GM/U3S3 FX Micro ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($53.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($72.00 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($54.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7770 1GB Video Card ($105.38 @ Newegg)
Case: Fractal Design Core 1000 USB 3.0 MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($37.99 @ Micro Center)
Power Supply: XFX 550W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($50.99 @ TigerDirect)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($14.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $533.31
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-03-29 19:52 EDT-0400)

This does not include the cost of your OS- you can figure another $100 for Win 7 or 8.

Thanks man, TRULY awesome,, although I wont' be able to purchase this system as yet.. it has given me a wealth of information and cleared up some misconceptions I have.. I am now thanks to you seeing the light..


basically I need to STOP throwing $$ away on these machines..


again, awesome stuff, I am looking thru that list again and again and getting a better understanding and a more realistic view of what i need to do!


thanks

oNe
post #8 of 17
You could put a quad core in there, (i have a dc7900 and it ran a q6600, it was pretty hot though)

more ram would be nice, and a gpu would only make a difference in games.

unless you are using it as an HTPC which a small video card with an h.264 encoder would help with the playback of HD videos!

umm yeah, look on craigslist and see if anyone is selling ddr2 for cheap, i think you should have 4 DIMM slots.

and Q6600 are about $50 on ebay.
and someone on the OCN market place is selling a Q9450 for $45 and that would be nice too.
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post #9 of 17
If you dont have a lot to spend you can have a decent frankenstien of a rig ahha thats what we did with the DC7900

found a hd6850 for $55
a 520w psu for $20

it had a q6600
and 4gb of ram
and my friend just wanted to play SWTOR and with the 6850 it was a huge improvement but it looked ugly as hell rolleyes.gif
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post #10 of 17
You could build something cheaper than that FX-6300 build and get similar if not better performance in gaming. Here's what I came up with http://pcpartpicker.com/user/MapRef41N93W/saved/4f2A. Basically a 50$ saving and you get better single thread performance and slightly better gaming performance for much worse multi thread performance. You could probably even go cheaper than this and not lose out too much I really just threw this together.
 
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