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I used to have a pretty good PC and an average level of hardware knowledge but after a period of moving around quite a lot I switched to a laptop and forgot pretty much all I know about building desktop computers. Now that I've settled... More or less... I'm looking at fixing up a gaming PC to shame the one I used to own some 5 or 6 years ago but back then I had someone with me to help along the way and I'm sadly without that expertise. Cue the experts of overclock!

So I'm looking at a budget around £800-1000 ($1300-1700), less would be best obviously as I'm not trying to bankrupt myself, and I'd like to build a pretty solid gaming computer. If it's not too much trouble I'd quite like to refresh my memory on all this jargon and improve on what I know as well (been browsing the forums and other sites but there's nothing quite like personal advice, right?)

Thanks in advance guys, if I've missed out any vital information in this let me know
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What games will you play and what resolution do you plan on playing them at?
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Intel Core i5 4690K @ 4.5GHz MSI Z87 MPower MAX AC ASUS GTX 1070 STRIX OC G.Skill Sniper 1600 16GB 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
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Intel Core i5 4670K @ 4.6GHz ASUS Z87i-Deluxe NVIDIA GTX 980 4GB ADATA XPG V2 1600 8GB 
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Samsung 850 EVO 250GB ASUS 24x DVD+RW Corsair H60 V2 Windows 8.1 Pro x64 
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A pretty wide variety of things, something of a gamer. But on the lower end stuff like Gmod and on the higher end I'm looking at getting Titanfall and Thief... those sorts of things. I'd like to be able to play them with the graphics looking pretty hot as well but I don't mind holding off on buying certain parts now in order to get better ones in the future.
I've been perusing CPU's so far and it's all nonsense to me now, I retained less than I initially thought tongue.gif
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Well I really don't see anything substantial releasing anytime soon that's worth waiting for, unless you plan on completing this build six months later..

But if you had to have it right now, with that budget, personally I would look for an Intel i5 4670K (Z87 Mobo) or AMD FX-8320 (990FX Mobo), 8GBs of DDR3 RAM, an Nvidia GeForce GTX 780 or AMD Radeon R9 290, a +240GB Solid State Drive, powered by a quality 650-850W 80Plus Modular power supply unit, all running inside of an attractive Antec/Cosair/Fractal/Lian Li enclosure.. but that's just me.

As for CPU cooling, I prefer sealed liquid coolers such as Antecs Kuhler or Corsairs Hydro Series because I can't stand bulky metal heatsinks.
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post #5 of 21
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That was a lot quicker and more thorough than I expected! Thanks for the input!
I'm still getting my head round the basic stuff again atm but from what I've gathered so far I'd figured an i5 as well as i7 seems unnecessary, at least for the price. And that was pretty much as far as I've gotten.

Right now isn't really a priority. I'd prefer to have it sooner, 6 months is a long time, but I'm expecting this to take at least 1-2 months to sort all the bits and pieces and the inevitable delays in ordering and delivery e.t.c... Overall I'm pretty impatient but I'd like to think I'm not stupid.

Looking into the parts as I'm typing this but what sort of level of performance could someone expect from a rig like that? And if it's not too much trouble why would you go for those specific parts?

Thanks again
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I'm not aware of UK pricing but in the US the 4670K is currently one of the best high end gaming CPUs for the money according to TomsHardware and many users here on OCN. I also mentioned the FX-8320 incase you're somebody that prefers AMD processors because of their almost-as-good gaming performance which sells at a considerably lower price point.

As for the RAM, +8GBs has become the new standard in high end gaming. More and more titles are releasing that utilize greater amounts of memory such as Battlefield 4 and Titanfall, which both recommend 8GBs as the requirement for optimal gameplay.
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post #7 of 21
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Yeah, Tomshardware was one of the sites I was using to get an idea of the lay of it with some reddit thrown in for good measure. Annoyingly enough I never thought of running through the requirements list for the games I'm intending on running on my machine once it's up so thanks for that reminder as well.
Looking into it that cpu gets a lot of praise from a lot of different places (even though they comment on it not being much better than it's older sibling) so I'm pretty tempted to follow that route.
I'm going to scout out some mobo's with what you said in mind next, then move through from there.
post #8 of 21
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Reading through some other forums a lot of people tout the benefits of the 8320 saying that OCing it will bring it up to the 8350's level and that the extra cores will probably be used more in future games and also reference streaming and the like. What's your take on this?
Also I saw someone say the choice of motherboards for the 8320 is pretty poor... he seemed like something of an intel nut though
post #9 of 21
The 8320/8350/9370/9590 are all pretty much the same CPU, with varying levels of factory OC. A 9370/9590 might OC slightly higher due to being better binned, but most 8320/8350s seem to land in the 4.5-5.0Ghz range anyway.

For motherboards, there are plenty of good ATX boards for an 8320, just make sure you get an overclocking-friendly chipset like 990fx. If you are going for a mini build then yes, there are slim pickings for micro ATX boards.

As for cores/gaming, Intel currently wins in gaming no contest. Intel CPUs get better performance per core, and games really only make use of up to 4 cores right now. However, people are hoping that the new consoles and their 8-core CPUs will light a fire under developers' asses to make use of more cores, and level the playing field a bit.
post #10 of 21
Games only using 4 cores is a myth, even if most do only use 4. Frostbite 2/3, Cryengine 3 are already out there and are going to be used in quite a lot of upcoming games and use as many cores as you want. High core scaling was also a stated design goal of unreal engine.
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