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Hi guys,

I'm looking into buying/building a NAS.
Main use: Backup storage and torrent usage

I want RAID1 support and support for at least 2 drives (more if I go custom)

What the most appealing for me to buy?

I don't need top-notch performance (!). I know this is OCN and "Yolo-ePeen-Overkill-PC-Forum", but please: I don't want to waste money on a NAS that's beyond my needs (With the money I save I could gift myself a second Classy tongue.gif )

So, what's the most interesting for me?
Build a, small PC and run freeNAS or something in that direction? Or just buy an out-of-the-box NAS?

Thanks in advance!

/Xio
Edited by xioros - 3/22/14 at 9:44am
   
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If you like having all the control you can on your NAS then go with a small PC.

 

If you don't really want to mess around with the NAS an just be there and it works...OTB NAS from Synology, DLink and Thecus are good choices.

 

I have 2 NAS units one is a Dual-Core Celeron 1155 with 8GB (1600mhz) ram with WHS 2012 and a Thecus N4100pro.

 

Transfer times are night and day, from my PC to my small pc NAS is around 35mbps and with my OTB NAS is around 15mpbs both on a gigabit network which are just at least 4ft to 5ft apart but it has to to with my OTB NAS which is a bit outdated.

 

I'd lean towards getting a small PC NAS if you can because it does give you more control just like a normal PC would be and transfer times are faster along with the expansion options you can have.

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If you like having all the control you can on your NAS then go with a small PC.

If you don't really want to mess around with the NAS an just be there and it works...OTB NAS from Synology, DLink and Thecus are good choices.

I have 2 NAS units one is a Dual-Core Celeron 1155 with 8GB (1600mhz) ram with WHS 2012 and a Thecus N4100pro.

Transfer times are night and day, from my PC to my small pc NAS is around 35mbps and with my OTB NAS is around 15mpbs both on a gigabit network which are just at least 4ft to 5ft apart but it has to to with my OTB NAS which is a bit outdated.

I'd lean towards getting a small PC NAS if you can because it does give you more control just like a normal PC would be and transfer times are faster along with the expansion options you can have.

Thanks! Rep'd.

I'm now looking into building a "custom" NAS.

2 possible builds:

Intel:
  • CPU: Intel Pentium G3220
  • Motherboard: GigaByte GA-H87N-WIFI or AsRock H81M-ITX
  • RAM: 4GB DDR3 1600MHz 1,35V
  • Case: Chenbro SR30169


AMD:
  • CPU: AMD A8-5500
  • Motherboard: FM2A88X-ITX+
  • RAM: 4GB DDR3 1600MHz 1,35V
  • Case: Chenbro SR30169

EDIT: And I will be using a 60GB SSD for the OS :-)


Thoughs:
How much RAM should I get? 4 vs 8GB? Why? => I'll be running FreeNAS
CPU: I assume the G3220 is more than sufficient? And so is the A8-5500? Reason: If I'm spending near €90 on a mobo, it'd be a shame to skim on the CPU and then notice I lack performance. Besides, the difference was very small...
Intel Mobo: Only a fat €15 in price difference. I feel safer with GB than with AsRock. The GB also comes with wifi and dual NIC, which never hurts?
Case: I heard this was a great NAS case :-) Features 4 hot-swap HDD's out of the box

HDDs: I'm starting off with 2x 3TB WD Red drives in RAID1. If can always expand to 4 drives :-)

Note: Case features a build-in 250W power supply, which is penty to drive a 65W CPU, mobo and 4 drives. (?)

/Xio
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Quote:
Originally Posted by xioros View Post

2 possible builds:

Intel:
  • CPU: Intel Pentium G3220
  • Motherboard: GigaByte GA-H87N-WIFI or AsRock H81M-ITX
  • RAM: 4GB DDR3 1600MHz 1,35V
  • Case: Chenbro SR30169

AMD:
  • CPU: AMD A8-5500
  • Motherboard: FM2A88X-ITX+
  • RAM: 4GB DDR3 1600MHz 1,35V
  • Case: Chenbro SR30169

EDIT: And I will be using a 60GB SSD for the OS :-)


Thoughs:
How much RAM should I get? 4 vs 8GB? Why? => I'll be running FreeNAS
CPU: I assume the G3220 is more than sufficient? And so is the A8-5500? Reason: If I'm spending near €90 on a mobo, it'd be a shame to skim on the CPU and then notice I lack performance. Besides, the difference was very small...
Intel Mobo: Only a fat €15 in price difference. I feel safer with GB than with AsRock. The GB also comes with wifi and dual NIC, which never hurts?
Case: I heard this was a great NAS case :-) Features 4 hot-swap HDD's out of the box

HDDs: I'm starting off with 2x 3TB WD Red drives in RAID1. If can always expand to 4 drives :-)

Note: Case features a build-in 250W power supply, which is penty to drive a 65W CPU, mobo and 4 drives. (?)

/Xio

Just a heads up, the Atheros AR8171 ethernet chip in both the Asrock boards is not supported in FreeBSD (which FreeNAS is based on) so you'll need to buy a separate pcie NIC.
Also, the Intel Asrock board has only 2 sata ports.
You should also use software raid1 with the zfs filesystem.
If you won't be doing any video transcoding, a dualcore cpu is fine.
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Just a heads up, the Atheros AR8171 ethernet chip in both the Asrock boards is not supported in FreeBSD (which FreeNAS is based on) so you'll need to buy a separate pcie NIC.
Also, the Intel Asrock board has only 2 sata ports.
You should also use software raid1 with the zfs filesystem.
If you won't be doing any video transcoding, a dualcore cpu is fine.

Really? That's a disappointment... And no way to get it working with a 3rd party driver I guess?
Well, it has 4. Would good to run 4 NAS drives but I would make it impossible to run an extra SSD. Thanks!
Won't be doing any video transcoding, just storage and torrenting :-)

How about the RAM? 4 vs 8GB? I expect 4GB to be enough for a storage/torrent server?
   
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Doh! I forgot to link the Freenas bugreport:
https://bugs.freenas.org/issues/3441

I had bought the Asrock A88x itx+ intending to use it as a nas as well but didn't do enough research on the NIC. I can only hope it'll be support in the next version of FreeBSD.

Its recommended to install the nas os on a usb drive since it'll free up a sata port.
4 gb is enough, but as a general guideline, 1gb of ram per a TB of disk space. Also remember itx boards only hves 2 ram slots.
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Doh! I forgot to link the Freenas bugreport:
https://bugs.freenas.org/issues/3441

I had bought the Asrock A88x itx+ intending to use it as a nas as well but didn't do enough research on the NIC. I can only hope it'll be support in the next version of FreeBSD.

Its recommended to install the nas os on a usb drive since it'll free up a sata port.
4 gb is enough, but as a general guideline, 1gb of ram per a TB of disk space. Also remember itx boards only hves 2 ram slots.

Well, the Gigabyte board has 6x sata, so there's space for a spare SSD :-)
   
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Thanks! Rep'd.

I'm now looking into building a "custom" NAS.

2 possible builds:

Intel:
  • CPU: Intel Pentium G3220
  • Motherboard: GigaByte GA-H87N-WIFI or AsRock H81M-ITX
  • RAM: 4GB DDR3 1600MHz 1,35V
  • Case: Chenbro SR30169


AMD:
  • CPU: AMD A8-5500
  • Motherboard: FM2A88X-ITX+
  • RAM: 4GB DDR3 1600MHz 1,35V
  • Case: Chenbro SR30169

EDIT: And I will be using a 60GB SSD for the OS :-)


Thoughs:
How much RAM should I get? 4 vs 8GB? Why? => I'll be running FreeNAS
CPU: I assume the G3220 is more than sufficient? And so is the A8-5500? Reason: If I'm spending near €90 on a mobo, it'd be a shame to skim on the CPU and then notice I lack performance. Besides, the difference was very small...
Intel Mobo: Only a fat €15 in price difference. I feel safer with GB than with AsRock. The GB also comes with wifi and dual NIC, which never hurts?
Case: I heard this was a great NAS case :-) Features 4 hot-swap HDD's out of the box

HDDs: I'm starting off with 2x 3TB WD Red drives in RAID1. If can always expand to 4 drives :-)

Note: Case features a build-in 250W power supply, which is penty to drive a 65W CPU, mobo and 4 drives. (?)

/Xio

 

Thanks and no problem!

 

2GB is sufficient if you aren't doing any OTF-Transcoding then again one can never have too much RAM.

 

Intel Celeron G1610 Dual Core Processor LGA1155 2.6GHZ Ivy Bridge 2MB Retail Box @ CND $60 <--this should suffice or a Dual-Core Athlon FM2 CPU to save more money for HDDs in the long run. My OTB NAS runs on an AMD Geode cpu and it's pretty speedy after a RAM upgrade.

 

Can't you go with a mATX with 2 PCI-e slots? 1 PCI-e slot for SATA expansion and 1 slot for an Intel NIC. The speed is going to be a time saver.

 

I'd also stay away from built-in PSUs, if I want to protect my data I'd go for a Corsair CX unit or check out this guide: http://www.overclock.net/t/183810/faq-recommended-power-supplies

 

For the case this is what I'd go with: http://www.bitfenix.com/global/en/products/chassis/phenom-micro-atx/

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Thanks and no problem!

2GB is sufficient if you aren't doing any OTF-Transcoding then again one can never have too much RAM.

Intel Celeron G1610 Dual Core Processor LGA1155 2.6GHZ Ivy Bridge 2MB Retail Box @ CND $60 <--this should suffice or a Dual-Core Athlon FM2 CPU to save more money for HDDs in the long run. My OTB NAS runs on an AMD Geode cpu and it's pretty speedy after a RAM upgrade.

Can't you go with a mATX with 2 PCI-e slots? 1 PCI-e slot for SATA expansion and 1 slot for an Intel NIC. The speed is going to be a time saver.

I'd also stay away from built-in PSUs, if I want to protect my data I'd go for a Corsair CX unit or check out this guide: http://www.overclock.net/t/183810/faq-recommended-power-supplies

For the case this is what I'd go with: http://www.bitfenix.com/global/en/products/chassis/phenom-micro-atx/

I will probably just run RAID1. I don't think I really need a file repairing format...
So I'm starting off with 4GB and might just upgrade to 8GB if I start using the new format.

Well, I want a really compact NAS, not a server. The GigaByte mobo has 6x SATA 6GB/s, and the case has 4x hotswap HDDs. I don't think I will run short on that. The GB mobo has dual NIC: One Intel and one Atheros, so I won't be running into problems.

Again: this is a storage solution, not a server :-)

And yes, I know a lot about PSUs, but Chenbro isn't junk.
The PSU gives all his wattage on the 12V and runs stable :-)

-Xio
   
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Well, I want a really compact NAS, not a server. The GigaByte mobo has 6x SATA 6GB/s, and the case has 4x hotswap HDDs. I don't think I will run short on that. The GB mobo has dual NIC: One Intel and one Atheros, so I won't be running into problems.

Again: this is a storage solution, not a server :-)

And yes, I know a lot about PSUs, but Chenbro isn't junk.
The PSU gives all his wattage on the 12V and runs stable :-)

-Xio

 

Cool looks like you're set for it! Don't forget to post a build log for other members who might want to have a small compact storage solution on the build log section!

 

Cheers and GL with the build!

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