Overclock.net › Forums › Cooling › Water Cooling › HELP: Radiator selection for evaporative cooling.
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

HELP: Radiator selection for evaporative cooling. - Page 2

post #11 of 17
Quote:
Originally Posted by billbartuska View Post

Hair spray cans have about 40 psi. 40 psi pump = $$$$

i meant pump bottles smile.gif
not aerosol
Budget Rig V2
(12 items)
 
   
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Xeon X5650 P6T DELUXE NVIDIA GeForce GTX 670 G.skill Sniper 
RAMHard DriveCoolingOS
G.skill Sniper Hitachi Raijintek Themis Windows 7 
PowerCaseMouseAudio
Rosewill Capstone 750M Corsair C70 Dell Mouse Samson SR950 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
AMD FX-8120 M5A99FX PRO R2.0 AMD Radeon HD 7800 Series AMD Radeon HD 7800 Series 
RAMRAMHard DriveCooling
G.Skill sniper G. Western Digital WD Green Asetek 510lc w/rosewill hypoborea push/pull 
OSMonitorCaseAudio
Windows 7 Ultimate Dell 144ox900 @75hz Corsair C70 Arctic White topping tp 12 amp 
  hide details  
Reply
Budget Rig V2
(12 items)
 
   
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Xeon X5650 P6T DELUXE NVIDIA GeForce GTX 670 G.skill Sniper 
RAMHard DriveCoolingOS
G.skill Sniper Hitachi Raijintek Themis Windows 7 
PowerCaseMouseAudio
Rosewill Capstone 750M Corsair C70 Dell Mouse Samson SR950 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
AMD FX-8120 M5A99FX PRO R2.0 AMD Radeon HD 7800 Series AMD Radeon HD 7800 Series 
RAMRAMHard DriveCooling
G.Skill sniper G. Western Digital WD Green Asetek 510lc w/rosewill hypoborea push/pull 
OSMonitorCaseAudio
Windows 7 Ultimate Dell 144ox900 @75hz Corsair C70 Arctic White topping tp 12 amp 
  hide details  
Reply
post #12 of 17
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by billbartuska View Post

You haven't really thought this out.

Automotive fuel injectors won't work, at least without spending a lot of money on a pump and controls.

Why do you need a rad in the first place?


Because plan A increases the cooling surface area, much like layering mesh in the tube of the "bong" style, it allows the water to slow down and stay unpooled longer. Plan B, without a permeable membrane, doesnt really leave the water in the air long.

I was not thinking "automotive" as much as I was some of the brass fuel spray nozzles I have played with when rebuilding lawnmowers/pressure washers as a summer job in high school. Greenhouse misting nozzles have a vastly greater selection in low pressure-high flow options, and are already designed for water, I might be able to find something more appropriate there. I am not looking for a ultra fine mist, as it would cause the fans to push a portion of the mist out before it had an opportunity to hit the rad. But PSI will be as big of a factor if not larger than GPH when selecting a pump.

Still need to figure out a rad that wont break down over time...

Thanks for the mock up, and the interest. Having other like minded brains to pick, helps bring ideas to reality quicker. thumb.gif
Blue540
(14 items)
 
x99
(18 items)
 
B.M.O.
(10 items)
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
6800k ASUS X99-A EVGA 980 FTW ACX 2.0 EVGA 980 FTW ACX2.0 
RAMHard DriveHard DriveCooling
Corsair Vengeance CMK32GX4M4B3200C16W Crucial MX100 WD Blue 1TB EK Supremacy EVO 
CoolingCoolingCoolingOS
EK 480 PE EK 240 PE EK D5 Vario Windows 10 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Samsung 49KU7500 (curved 4k) Corsair K65 NZXT Hale 90 V2 1000W Thermaltake X9 
MouseMouse Pad
Logitch G100S X-Trac Ripper 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
6400k msi A75MA-P33 Sapphire 6670 passive hynix 2 GB dual channel 
Hard DriveOSMonitorKeyboard
WD  windows 8.1 e-machine wireless 
PowerCase
king win 600w custom built 
  hide details  
Reply
Blue540
(14 items)
 
x99
(18 items)
 
B.M.O.
(10 items)
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
6800k ASUS X99-A EVGA 980 FTW ACX 2.0 EVGA 980 FTW ACX2.0 
RAMHard DriveHard DriveCooling
Corsair Vengeance CMK32GX4M4B3200C16W Crucial MX100 WD Blue 1TB EK Supremacy EVO 
CoolingCoolingCoolingOS
EK 480 PE EK 240 PE EK D5 Vario Windows 10 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Samsung 49KU7500 (curved 4k) Corsair K65 NZXT Hale 90 V2 1000W Thermaltake X9 
MouseMouse Pad
Logitch G100S X-Trac Ripper 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
6400k msi A75MA-P33 Sapphire 6670 passive hynix 2 GB dual channel 
Hard DriveOSMonitorKeyboard
WD  windows 8.1 e-machine wireless 
PowerCase
king win 600w custom built 
  hide details  
Reply
post #13 of 17
What you really want is something like Plan B, but use a heat exchanger instead of the pipe coil.

Your original plan where the evaporative loop coolant dribbles through the primary loop radiator seems quite inefficient. FWIW the radiator isn't the cooling surface, the water mist itself as it interacts with open air is. That's why bongs are so big, they need that volume of space to let enough water evaporate to take enough heat away. I think it's a good idea to try to spread out the mist horizontally instead of vertically, but 240x360x240 seems far too small to be very effective.
Blinky
(16 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7-950 @4.034 GHz Asus Rampage III Formula GeForce GTX 770 6GB Crucial Ballistix 1600MHz 
Hard DriveCoolingCoolingOS
Samsung 840 Pro SSD EK Supreme HF (full nickel) Danger Den Monsoon Dual-Bay Reservoir/Pump Win 7 Pro 64 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Dell U2410 Rosewill RK-9000 Seasonic X-650 Cosmos 1000 
Other
Lamptron FC5-V2 
  hide details  
Reply
Blinky
(16 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7-950 @4.034 GHz Asus Rampage III Formula GeForce GTX 770 6GB Crucial Ballistix 1600MHz 
Hard DriveCoolingCoolingOS
Samsung 840 Pro SSD EK Supreme HF (full nickel) Danger Den Monsoon Dual-Bay Reservoir/Pump Win 7 Pro 64 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Dell U2410 Rosewill RK-9000 Seasonic X-650 Cosmos 1000 
Other
Lamptron FC5-V2 
  hide details  
Reply
post #14 of 17

Edited by billbartuska - 3/24/14 at 6:59am
My System
(15 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
FX6300 Black M5A99X EVO R2.0 Nvidia GTS450 Team Vulcan PC3 12800 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
Samsung 840 PRO Asus DRW-1608P (x2) Custom Water Cooling Win7 (Ult), Win 8.1 & Win Server 2012 R2 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
2 X Samsung 915N Ducky Shine III, Blue Cherry/Blue LEDs PCP&C 1kw Lian Li PC-71 (W/Window) 
MouseAudio
Logiteck G400s none 
  hide details  
Reply
My System
(15 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
FX6300 Black M5A99X EVO R2.0 Nvidia GTS450 Team Vulcan PC3 12800 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
Samsung 840 PRO Asus DRW-1608P (x2) Custom Water Cooling Win7 (Ult), Win 8.1 & Win Server 2012 R2 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
2 X Samsung 915N Ducky Shine III, Blue Cherry/Blue LEDs PCP&C 1kw Lian Li PC-71 (W/Window) 
MouseAudio
Logiteck G400s none 
  hide details  
Reply
post #15 of 17
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by threephi View Post

What you really want is something like Plan B, but use a heat exchanger instead of the pipe coil.

Your original plan where the evaporative loop coolant dribbles through the primary loop radiator seems quite inefficient. FWIW the radiator isn't the cooling surface, the water mist itself as it interacts with open air is. That's why bongs are so big, they need that volume of space to let enough water evaporate to take enough heat away. I think it's a good idea to try to spread out the mist horizontally instead of vertically, but 240x360x240 seems far too small to be very effective.

with no radiator, you are correct, horribly small and inefficient. The idea of the radiator is to slow the water down, so more water/mist stays un pooled and interacts with the air longer.

As much as I appreciate the thoughts on the project guys...I still dont have an answer to my question:

Which type of radiator wont rust/oxidize when wet?
Blue540
(14 items)
 
x99
(18 items)
 
B.M.O.
(10 items)
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
6800k ASUS X99-A EVGA 980 FTW ACX 2.0 EVGA 980 FTW ACX2.0 
RAMHard DriveHard DriveCooling
Corsair Vengeance CMK32GX4M4B3200C16W Crucial MX100 WD Blue 1TB EK Supremacy EVO 
CoolingCoolingCoolingOS
EK 480 PE EK 240 PE EK D5 Vario Windows 10 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Samsung 49KU7500 (curved 4k) Corsair K65 NZXT Hale 90 V2 1000W Thermaltake X9 
MouseMouse Pad
Logitch G100S X-Trac Ripper 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
6400k msi A75MA-P33 Sapphire 6670 passive hynix 2 GB dual channel 
Hard DriveOSMonitorKeyboard
WD  windows 8.1 e-machine wireless 
PowerCase
king win 600w custom built 
  hide details  
Reply
Blue540
(14 items)
 
x99
(18 items)
 
B.M.O.
(10 items)
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
6800k ASUS X99-A EVGA 980 FTW ACX 2.0 EVGA 980 FTW ACX2.0 
RAMHard DriveHard DriveCooling
Corsair Vengeance CMK32GX4M4B3200C16W Crucial MX100 WD Blue 1TB EK Supremacy EVO 
CoolingCoolingCoolingOS
EK 480 PE EK 240 PE EK D5 Vario Windows 10 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Samsung 49KU7500 (curved 4k) Corsair K65 NZXT Hale 90 V2 1000W Thermaltake X9 
MouseMouse Pad
Logitch G100S X-Trac Ripper 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
6400k msi A75MA-P33 Sapphire 6670 passive hynix 2 GB dual channel 
Hard DriveOSMonitorKeyboard
WD  windows 8.1 e-machine wireless 
PowerCase
king win 600w custom built 
  hide details  
Reply
post #16 of 17
you wont find a radiator that wont deteriorate. they are all soldered with tin solder. your best bet is plan c. this isnt a new idea per say. its a mish mash of ideas.
closed loop in a chiller box and using a bong/ventolini (is that the right word?) to cool water at or below ambient.

as i said, plan would be best. it would lead to the least amount of corrosion.
w00t
(18 items)
 
   
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
ph2 x20be asus m4a785-m sapphire vapor-x 4850  geil black dragon 1066 5-5-5-15-20 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
wd  asus dvd multi-write arctic cooling freezer 64 pro win 7 ultimate x64 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
samsung 42" lcd logitech wireless antec basic 500watt old dell crap 
MouseAudio
logitech wireless pioneer 7.1 
  hide details  
Reply
w00t
(18 items)
 
   
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
ph2 x20be asus m4a785-m sapphire vapor-x 4850  geil black dragon 1066 5-5-5-15-20 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
wd  asus dvd multi-write arctic cooling freezer 64 pro win 7 ultimate x64 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
samsung 42" lcd logitech wireless antec basic 500watt old dell crap 
MouseAudio
logitech wireless pioneer 7.1 
  hide details  
Reply
post #17 of 17
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pc-illiterate View Post

you wont find a radiator that wont deteriorate.

Thank you
+1
Back to the drawing board
Maybe a fin array like industrial evaporation cooling installations but not a rad. If I do know one thing about evaporation, the more of it that is vapor, the more effective the cooling.


Edited by inedenimadam - 3/24/14 at 8:27am
Blue540
(14 items)
 
x99
(18 items)
 
B.M.O.
(10 items)
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
6800k ASUS X99-A EVGA 980 FTW ACX 2.0 EVGA 980 FTW ACX2.0 
RAMHard DriveHard DriveCooling
Corsair Vengeance CMK32GX4M4B3200C16W Crucial MX100 WD Blue 1TB EK Supremacy EVO 
CoolingCoolingCoolingOS
EK 480 PE EK 240 PE EK D5 Vario Windows 10 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Samsung 49KU7500 (curved 4k) Corsair K65 NZXT Hale 90 V2 1000W Thermaltake X9 
MouseMouse Pad
Logitch G100S X-Trac Ripper 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
6400k msi A75MA-P33 Sapphire 6670 passive hynix 2 GB dual channel 
Hard DriveOSMonitorKeyboard
WD  windows 8.1 e-machine wireless 
PowerCase
king win 600w custom built 
  hide details  
Reply
Blue540
(14 items)
 
x99
(18 items)
 
B.M.O.
(10 items)
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
6800k ASUS X99-A EVGA 980 FTW ACX 2.0 EVGA 980 FTW ACX2.0 
RAMHard DriveHard DriveCooling
Corsair Vengeance CMK32GX4M4B3200C16W Crucial MX100 WD Blue 1TB EK Supremacy EVO 
CoolingCoolingCoolingOS
EK 480 PE EK 240 PE EK D5 Vario Windows 10 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Samsung 49KU7500 (curved 4k) Corsair K65 NZXT Hale 90 V2 1000W Thermaltake X9 
MouseMouse Pad
Logitch G100S X-Trac Ripper 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
6400k msi A75MA-P33 Sapphire 6670 passive hynix 2 GB dual channel 
Hard DriveOSMonitorKeyboard
WD  windows 8.1 e-machine wireless 
PowerCase
king win 600w custom built 
  hide details  
Reply
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Water Cooling
Overclock.net › Forums › Cooling › Water Cooling › HELP: Radiator selection for evaporative cooling.