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Hello all,

This is my first post, so please bare with me if im posting this in the wrong section. I am a newbie in watercooling but ive done my homework and i know radiator is one of the parts that i don't want to cheap out on. I have a nzxt phantom 410 so i have the option of putting a 240mm rad on top.

Now what i thought was i would get a high FPI radiator and mount 2 SCYTHE "ULTRA KAZE" 3000 rpm fans on it but then i saw that they are 38mm ones and those who said they didnt care about noise retracted their statement after getting those. So i was looking for a a little low FPI fins so that i can run say 2 x 1850 rpm fans on the radiator so i read many topics here and decided that the RX240 is good.

So when i went looking i found 2 versions

XSPC RX240 Extreme Performance Radiator Version 2 Here and this is a 8 FPI radiator and read that the gentle typhoon AP-15 Here are good to mount on it.

Dimensions: 125x58.5x286mm (WxDxH)


BUT I ALSO FOUND ANOTHER RX240

XSPC RX240 Dual-Fan Radiator V3 - Black Here

This baby is a 13 FPI and Dimensions: 130 x 56 x 275mm (WxDxH) . This one's height is a little less that the above one but it is a bit wider. Now my questions are will this fit in the nzxt phantom 410 Here << click on spec for more info.

Well according to the info in the home site it says TOP, 2 X 120/140mm (1 x 140mm included) so since V3 is 130mm im thinking its gonna fit but i want to be sure.

Second question is which radiator should i get. Right now i have a i7 3770k ivy bridge, and not yet overclocked, but will do in future and i'm looping through cpu and 1 gpu GTX 660 but i'll be getting another 120mm rad for that.

Third question is will that gentle typhoon work on both of the above mentioned RX240 radiators or should i get 2 x 2000 rpm typhoons for the high FPI one (second one)

I would really appreciate your thoughts and expertise guys Thanks a lot biggrin.gif
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I can't really help you on the mounting and the choice between the rad but I can comment your fan choice :

 

AP-15 = one of the best 120mm fan for a radiator, you can't go wrong with GentleTyphoon AP-15 ;)

 

Lee17

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Thanks for the input mate. Any thoughts about why gentle typhoon 3000 rpm is expensive than ultra kaze 3000 rpm ?
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Quiet and quality. Maybe air flow too. (This is what I think from what I have read).

But if you can find AP-15, you don't need more than that.

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Get the V3 without a doubt, it outperforms the older version at all fan speeds by about 10%

There's two types of fin designs typically used in PC cooling radiators. Folded fins which is just fins folded between the chambers, as the name suggests. Then there's split fins, which is two sets of fins between each chamber separated by a REALLY thin copper plate. Then there's louvered vs non louvered.

The new revision has split fin LOUVERED radiator fins which is a pretty unique trait as far as I'm aware, lots of radiators have split fin cores and lots of radiators have louvered fins but I don't see many with both.


Louvered fins have all slits in the fins like pictured below.


These slits create more turbulence in the air going through, increasing performance.

So yeah, go with the V3 hands down.

As to fans, the GT3000RPM is more expensive because it's not Scythes fan. The Gentle Typhoon fans are manufactured by Nidec Servo, Scythe just buys thousands of them at a time, markets and redistributes them. So if Nidec Servo sells them @ $7usd each, scythe will sell them to stores at $13USD each so they make some money, then stores bump up manu price by anywhere from 50% to 100% more and sell it. Basic retail.

As far as I know the Ultra Kaze is Scythes design, though I may be wrong on that.

Were I you I'd get the 2150RPM Gentle Typhoon, the GT AP-45 as it's normally called though that may require some digging through the interwebs to find as it's not a very common item. Use those in push/pull on that rad and you'll be set. You'll be able to push a pretty nice overclock with the setup I said, or cool a mildly overclocked CPU and GPU, though you might want to get more radspace when you throw the GPU like you were saying.
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Get the V3 without a doubt, it outperforms the older version at all fan speeds by about 10%

There's two types of fin designs typically used in PC cooling radiators. Folded fins which is just fins folded between the chambers, as the name suggests. Then there's split fins, which is two sets of fins between each chamber separated by a REALLY thin copper plate. Then there's louvered vs non louvered.

The new revision has split fin LOUVERED radiator fins which is a pretty unique trait as far as I'm aware, lots of radiators have split fin cores and lots of radiators have louvered fins but I don't see many with both.


Louvered fins have all slits in the fins like pictured below.


These slits create more turbulence in the air going through, increasing performance.

So yeah, go with the V3 hands down.

As to fans, the GT3000RPM is more expensive because it's not Scythes fan. The Gentle Typhoon fans are manufactured by Nidec Servo, Scythe just buys thousands of them at a time, markets and redistributes them. So if Nidec Servo sells them @ $7usd each, scythe will sell them to stores at $13USD each so they make some money, then stores bump up manu price by anywhere from 50% to 100% more and sell it. Basic retail.

As far as I know the Ultra Kaze is Scythes design, though I may be wrong on that.

Were I you I'd get the 2150RPM Gentle Typhoon, the GT AP-45 as it's normally called though that may require some digging through the interwebs to find as it's not a very common item. Use those in push/pull on that rad and you'll be set. You'll be able to push a pretty nice overclock with the setup I said, or cool a mildly overclocked CPU and GPU, though you might want to get more radspace when you throw the GPU like you were saying.

Awesome information bro ... +1 to you biggrin.gif:D:D.....ok so i was thinking getting 2 GT AP-45 and have it in push mode .... that be enough or will i need to do a pull with another 2 fans as well ?
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Well how about this fan Scythe Gentle Typhoon 120 mm 3000 rpm sleeved . This any good ? what exactly does sleeved mean ?
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Awesome information bro ... +1 to you biggrin.gif:D:D.....ok so i was thinking getting 2 GT AP-45 and have it in push mode .... that be enough or will i need to do a pull with another 2 fans as well ?

Push should be sufficient, but if you have the clearance I would always advise push/pull over just push or just pull. The reality of the situation is with many liquid cooling setups you'll have limited radiator space so you'll want to maximize your loops performance. Generally I'll always say get the thickest radiator you can fit with push/pull, but since you're limiting yourself to XSPC rads I'm assuming you're going with a kit. I don't know what kind of clearance you have right off the back of my head, but yeah if you can fit push/pull I'd recommend doing that. If you can't push should be sufficient.
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Push should be sufficient, but if you have the clearance I would always advise push/pull over just push or just pull. The reality of the situation is with many liquid cooling setups you'll have limited radiator space so you'll want to maximize your loops performance. Generally I'll always say get the thickest radiator you can fit with push/pull, but since you're limiting yourself to XSPC rads I'm assuming you're going with a kit. I don't know what kind of clearance you have right off the back of my head, but yeah if you can fit push/pull I'd recommend doing that. If you can't push should be sufficient.

well no im not going with a kit. Im actually getting all parts seperate. Oh and no im not limiting myself to xspc rads.... i had chosen a Swiftech "eXtreme Performance" Dual 120mm Radiator but wasnt sure about the fans that i would need for that because that has like a 20 FPI and now im not sure about the fin structure of that radiator like how you explained for xspc v3 in your above post. Ive linked it , could u have a look at it once ? . and im thinking i would need a wooping 3000 rpm fan for that but i dont want my cpu to sound like a helicopter so im trying to balance noise and performance. hence i was thinking about xspc v3 with 2000 rpm fans....

what do you think i should do mate ?


Thanks for the help again biggrin.gif:D:D
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well no im not going with a kit. Im actually getting all parts seperate. Oh and no im not limiting myself to xspc rads.... i had chosen a Swiftech "eXtreme Performance" Dual 120mm Radiator but wasnt sure about the fans that i would need for that because that has like a 20 FPI and now im not sure about the fin structure of that radiator like how you explained for xspc v3 in your above post. Ive linked it , could u have a look at it once ? . and im thinking i would need a wooping 3000 rpm fan for that but i dont want my cpu to sound like a helicopter so im trying to balance noise and performance. hence i was thinking about xspc v3 with 2000 rpm fans....

what do you think i should do mate ?


Thanks for the help again biggrin.gif:D:D

You're overestimating a tad, fin density isn't the only thing that creates air restriction, radiator thickness and fin type also play a factor.
Take a look at martins testing here:

http://martinsliquidlab.org/2012/04/14/360-radiator-shootout-summary/

Martin is kind of like the prophet of watercooling here on OCN, people follow his reviews religiously.

@ 2200 RPM the Swiftech XP series performs as well as the UT60. These tests were in just push though, so if you pull a Swiftech XP in push/pull you'll easily get some really good thermals in comparison.

GT AP-15s in push/pull would probably give you similar thermals to GT AP45 in just push or just pull.

Again, I'd recommend getting the thickest rad you can fit in push/pull. Can you give me an estimate of radiator clearance, that being the thickness you can fit with the rad and fans attached?
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