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No no.

You need a dac, amp and a high quality 2.0 stereo system.

If you absolutely need surround sound, then you need a receiver and a 5.1 speaker system.

In either case, we would nee to know what your budget would be.

As of now I need to get a new desk to actually fit my computer, CaseLabs equipment is huge tongue.gif
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Morning OCN!

I've got some downtime to do work/ order things for my rig due to my power supply being RMA'd to Silverstone right now. As of now, I have no sound card. Never had one before, so I thought I'd use that as another reason to pick up the Rampage IV Black Edition. From what I understand it's got some pretty beefy audio components for being on-board audio.

The question is, with a proper speaker set which I'll be picking up soon (undecided as of which set at the moment), will I get even a noticeable jump in clarity and detail? Models and links appreciated guys thumb.gif I'm not much of a PC audio guy, I'm a bassist and that's as much as I know and I would love to learn!

-Zepp

The RIBE (Rampage IV Black Edition) comes with the same CS4398 DAC chip that is found on the Xonar DX (used $60) sound card and the Sound Blaster Z ($85) sound card.
The RIBE's 6120A2 headphone amplifier is the same one used on the Essence STX/ST ($190) sound card and Sound Blaster ZxR ($225) sound card.
So for on-board audio your doing well.
One disadvantage is the same back panel audio output jack is used for the headphones and Front speakers, so you will need to switch them when needed.
There is the front panel headphone audio jack, but as the cable travels thru the inside of the computer case, it might pick up electrical noise.
Me personally, would skip on the speakers and just use headphones.
Check the website Head-fi if you want ask about headphones from guys that own 20 headphones, like me.
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Originally Posted by chinesekiwi View Post

If your CPU is a Pentium II sure.

LOL I got a chuckle out of that one too.

Modern quad core CPUs can handle 32+ channels of 24-bit/192-KHz audio with multiple effects and not break a sweat.

Seriously, people don't give these high end motherboard chipsets enough of a chance. It's the vinyl vs. CD argument all over again, LOL.

Greg
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The only reason I have my external soundcard is to get the correct channel output via optical to my speakers, for some reason the realteck onboard would not output the rear/side channels properly no matter what I tried.

It also lets me have my headphones and speakers have Independent volume control and switching easily between them.
Its a weird setup tongue.gif but it works, and sound pretty good to me.


If the Onboard sound is not capable of driving a certain set of speakers/headphones correctly, then sure, why not.
But the vast majority of onboard sound is very good and have a greater level of control than they used to 8-10 years ago.

Also, like others have stated, offloading the sound from the cpu to a soundcard will not make any noticeable difference. It's 2014, sound is not hard to decode/deliver thumb.gif
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Short answer -- "no".

Slightly longer answer -- "maybe". The RIV Black Edition has a pretty nice sound chip on it, and reasonable precautions have been made to isolate the audio circuitry from the rest of the motherboard to higher S/N ratio. That being said, it's still going to fall short of a full blown studio DAC/ADC solution (think external USB DAC) and might not have enough oomph to drive a high impedance set of high-end headphones. I'd wait until you've listened critically to the on board sound before dumping cash on a sound card.

When you DO consider a sound card, for the love of all that's holy, don't get some 5-8 year old Xonar DG/DX or Creative X-Fi board. On board sound has come a long way in the last 5 years, and a lot of the "aftermarket" sound boards don't measure up to the premium motherboard sound options. Yeah, they're better than $150 motherboard sound, but they're not necessarily better than $400 enthusiast board sound with specialized treatment given to the sound chip.

Greg
This.

If you're investing in a high-end board with a high-end motherboard where care has been taken to product quality sound, then you don't need a sound card. That's the one circumstance where I'll say that it's not necessary. If you're using an ordinary board with nothing on it but a Realtek AC97 codec, then by all means buy a sound card. A $35 Xonar DG/DGX is worth every penny then. But if you have the same sound chip onboard as a Xonar and it's been properly shielded on the board, then a card like that is not an upgrade.
     
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It depends. If you are doing audio critical work on your computer, then in no possible way shape or form will on board ever be anythingbbut a waste of space.

If you don't have the playbackdevices (QUALITY cans/speakers) to benefit, then you will find no difference.

Your audio playback is only as good as the weakest link in the chain. That means good recordings, good internal hardware (or if headfi has convincedyyou that external DAC's are theo nly possible way to get good sound, so be it), and quality speakers and/or headphones, all connected with quality cables (Monoprice 12AWG copper is what I use professionally, custom sleeved w EMI/RFI shielded sleeve).
It makes no sense to buy $500 headphonesand listen to nnothing but 192kbps MP3, nor does it make sense to go to great pains to have nothing but FLAC or even WAV just to listen to them on Logitech/Corsair computer speakers or low quality headphones.

The term "audio system" says it all... If you are not designing your setup as a system, it's much more difficult to get your money's worth out of it.
   
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