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Hi, i've been looking for some gaming laptops. I am looking at msi and sager after a few recommendations i got.

i have some questions though about it.

I am interested in a 15 inch laptop. Specifically, i have been looking at the GT60 and np8258 from sager.

Here are some laptops from msi, but looking mainly at the gt60.

http://www.xoticpc.com/custom-gaming-laptops-notebooks-msi-laptops-ct-95_51_165.html

i was wondering about the build quality of the new msi laptops. How is the cooling? Is it reliable? and how about the graphics card? I was interested in the 860m because i heard it was actually maxwell, but it seems that they are still kepler based. so i guess it doesn't matter if i have a 860 or 870 since they will both be kepler.

Also i was wondering about laptop processors. Do the processors necessarily have to be i7 to play the games? I don't see how an i5 would make that much of a difference playing games as to using an i7. Wouldn't that also save power? same with the 860/870.

here is the sager model i was looking at: http://www.xoticpc.com/sager-np8258-clevo-p157sma-eta-march-p-6988.html

same questions for the sager. build quality/cooling/reliability, etc.

thanks.
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Hi, i've been looking for some gaming laptops. I am looking at msi and sager after a few recommendations i got.

i have some questions though about it.

I am interested in a 15 inch laptop. Specifically, i have been looking at the GT60 and np8258 from sager.

Here are some laptops from msi, but looking mainly at the gt60.

http://www.xoticpc.com/custom-gaming-laptops-notebooks-msi-laptops-ct-95_51_165.html

i was wondering about the build quality of the new msi laptops. How is the cooling? Is it reliable? and how about the graphics card? I was interested in the 860m because i heard it was actually maxwell, but it seems that they are still kepler based. so i guess it doesn't matter if i have a 860 or 870 since they will both be kepler.

Also i was wondering about laptop processors. Do the processors necessarily have to be i7 to play the games? I don't see how an i5 would make that much of a difference playing games as to using an i7. Wouldn't that also save power? same with the 860/870.

here is the sager model i was looking at: http://www.xoticpc.com/sager-np8258-clevo-p157sma-eta-march-p-6988.html

same questions for the sager. build quality/cooling/reliability, etc.

thanks.
An i5 would be fine, you'll have top performance for not quite as long but it still will perform well for a couple of years. I had an AW with an i3 and it was fine, I could play any game I wanted, but maybe not on high, so that depends on you. Can't help you on anything else, but an i5 should be fine, but an i7 would be better. Just depends on your budget and how important it is that you play games on highest settings possible. Hope this helps.
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Personally I would go with Sager, and by default it has an i7 4700MQ in it. Unless your budget is that tight I would go for the 4700MQ. I don't even see an MSI with an i5 for the GT60 range.

MSI has a single heatpipe and fan to cool both the CPU and the GPU. The Sager has a dedicated fan and Heatsink for the CPU and another pair for the GPU. I have never owned an MSI but personally don't like the styling and have heard mixed review on quality. I guess the same could be said for the Sagers as well, but in my experience. The sagers I have used have been solid built, but were no where near the quality of the m18x I have.

I don't know if the newer notebooks MSI has come out with are better, but there wasn't a major chassis design so I doubt there would be an improved cooling system. I would do some research and temps, and read up on them before making your final decision. I am sure either machine will be pretty night, but none of them are perfect.
     
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Keep in mind that a laptop i5 is only a dual core and the i7 is a quad core. That is the big difference on laptops.

I think its like this:
Pentium is a dual core with no hyper threading or turbo
i3 dual core and gets turbo
i5 dual core and gets turbo and hyper
i7 quad core and gets turbo and hyper

After adding that information i agree with identity.
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Personally I would go with Sager, and by default it has an i7 4700MQ in it. Unless your budget is that tight I would go for the 4700MQ. I don't even see an MSI with an i5 for the GT60 range.

MSI has a single heatpipe and fan to cool both the CPU and the GPU. The Sager has a dedicated fan and Heatsink for the CPU and another pair for the GPU. I have never owned an MSI but personally don't like the styling and have heard mixed review on quality. I guess the same could be said for the Sagers as well, but in my experience. The sagers I have used have been solid built, but were no where near the quality of the m18x I have.

I don't know if the newer notebooks MSI has come out with are better, but there wasn't a major chassis design so I doubt there would be an improved cooling system. I would do some research and temps, and read up on them before making your final decision. I am sure either machine will be pretty night, but none of them are perfect.
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Keep in mind that a laptop i5 is only a dual core and the i7 is a quad core. That is the big difference on laptops.

I think its like this:
Pentium is a dual core with no hyper threading or turbo
i3 dual core and gets turbo
i5 dual core and gets turbo and hyper
i7 quad core and gets turbo and hyper

After adding that information i agree with identity.

Yeah, i think im going to go with sager then. and i asked about the processor because if it didnt make that much of a difference, then i would have just gone with a cheaper laptop and get a 860 in it. but i didnt know the laptop processors were made like that. sager also doesn't come with windows installed, which is a plus because i can just install linux/windows when it gets here.

know if the maxwell versions of these gpus will come out soon or is it too far off to matter? i heard the maxwell versions would use a lot less energy than the kepler.

also, about that alien ware. i'm more of a desktop guy and never went with mobile computers. but from what i saw of the desktops, they seemed really over priced. im not sure how it is with their laptops. what is it about the alien ware that you like?
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Keep in mind that a laptop i5 is only a dual core and the i7 is a quad core. That is the big difference on laptops.

I think its like this:
Pentium is a dual core with no hyper threading or turbo
i3 dual core and gets turbo
i5 dual core and gets turbo and hyper
i7 quad core and gets turbo and hyper

After adding that information i agree with identity.

Good information, yeah the i5s are dual cores only. You really lose a lot in the step down from the i7.
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Yeah, i think im going to go with sager then. and i asked about the processor because if it didnt make that much of a difference, then i would have just gone with a cheaper laptop and get a 860 in it. but i didnt know the laptop processors were made like that. sager also doesn't come with windows installed, which is a plus because i can just install linux/windows when it gets here.

know if the maxwell versions of these gpus will come out soon or is it too far off to matter? i heard the maxwell versions would use a lot less energy than the kepler.

also, about that alien ware. i'm more of a desktop guy and never went with mobile computers. but from what i saw of the desktops, they seemed really over priced. im not sure how it is with their laptops. what is it about the alien ware that you like?

Maxwell is available in the Soldered chip version of the 840, 850, 860m(2gb) as of what i read a week or two ago, I haven't looked much more. The MXM slot cards 860m (4gb), 870m, and 880m are all keplers with modifications. If you need a supplemental laptop maybe look into a sager or msi with the soldered chip (when you look on xotic, the configuration will have no other options for GPUs) but most of them are single heatpipe design.

As for alienware buying new is expensive, you gotta look for specials, deals, coupon codes, etc... Then you need to call and haggle. The more you're spending, and the longer the warranty you buy the more wiggle room they have.

The m18x is an awesome machine, all metal, dual GPU, excellent cooling. I normally buy used or off of the refurbished outlet using coupon codes to keep it affordable. If I lost the ability to buy them refurbished with 25-35% off coupon codes I would go back to sager.

Buying a new or refurb with a long warranty is a good idea with alienware, if you buy a laptop + 4 year warranty, in 3.5 years if the laptop dies from whatever, you call them up and they generally replace it with an equivalent tier in the newer model of the notebooks. So you pay $500 extra for the warranty but they take care of you if you have an issue down the road.
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Good information, yeah the i5s are dual cores only. You really lose a lot in the step down from the i7.
Maxwell is available in the Soldered chip version of the 840, 850, 860m(2gb) as of what i read a week or two ago, I haven't looked much more. The MXM slot cards 860m (4gb), 870m, and 880m are all keplers with modifications. If you need a supplemental laptop maybe look into a sager or msi with the soldered chip (when you look on xotic, the configuration will have no other options for GPUs) but most of them are single heatpipe design.

As for alienware buying new is expensive, you gotta look for specials, deals, coupon codes, etc... Then you need to call and haggle. The more you're spending, and the longer the warranty you buy the more wiggle room they have.

The m18x is an awesome machine, all metal, dual GPU, excellent cooling. I normally buy used or off of the refurbished outlet using coupon codes to keep it affordable. If I lost the ability to buy them refurbished with 25-35% off coupon codes I would go back to sager.

Buying a new or refurb with a long warranty is a good idea with alienware, if you buy a laptop + 4 year warranty, in 3.5 years if the laptop dies from whatever, you call them up and they generally replace it with an equivalent tier in the newer model of the notebooks. So you pay $500 extra for the warranty but they take care of you if you have an issue down the road.

All of the new alienwares are actually aluminum, not just the 18. The 14 17 and 18 are all aluminum now.
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That's true, I forget that, the entire line is a metal chassis now.

Before the m17x-R3 and 4 and the m14x-R1 and R2 were a plastic shell and the m18x was the only metal one they made.

Nova, if you're considering an alienware, and don't intend to do much tweaking or overclocking you're probably OK with a new one. But if you're maxing something out with the intent to overclock and adjust everything, the BiOS the AW 17 and AW 18 come with is sort of crippled with odd fan profiles. A lot of the performance benchers on NBR are pretty unhappy with the way the functionality they are missing. MR. Fox over at NBR dropped his 780s in his R2 and beat is AW18 with 4930XM and 780s in benchmarks.
     
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That's true, I forget that, the entire line is a metal chassis now.

Before the m17x-R3 and 4 and the m14x-R1 and R2 were a plastic shell and the m18x was the only metal one they made.

Nova, if you're considering an alienware, and don't intend to do much tweaking or overclocking you're probably OK with a new one. But if you're maxing something out with the intent to overclock and adjust everything, the BiOS the AW 17 and AW 18 come with is sort of crippled with odd fan profiles. A lot of the performance benchers on NBR are pretty unhappy with the way the functionality they are missing. MR. Fox over at NBR dropped his 780s in his R2 and beat is AW18 with 4930XM and 780s in benchmarks.

Another prime example was how the GT 650M on the AW M14X R2 would throttle at 67C.
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Good information, yeah the i5s are dual cores only. You really lose a lot in the step down from the i7.
Maxwell is available in the Soldered chip version of the 840, 850, 860m(2gb) as of what i read a week or two ago, I haven't looked much more. The MXM slot cards 860m (4gb), 870m, and 880m are all keplers with modifications. If you need a supplemental laptop maybe look into a sager or msi with the soldered chip (when you look on xotic, the configuration will have no other options for GPUs) but most of them are single heatpipe design.

As for alienware buying new is expensive, you gotta look for specials, deals, coupon codes, etc... Then you need to call and haggle. The more you're spending, and the longer the warranty you buy the more wiggle room they have.

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well that sucks. the chassis i wanted only comes with the 4gb version. guess i have to work with: http://www.xoticpc.com/sager-np7358-clevo-w350ss-p-6991.html

and how about 13 inch laptop. the one i linked is a 15 inch, but there is a 13 inch version with same specs: http://www.xoticpc.com/sager-np7338-clevo-w230ss-eta-march-p-6992.html

would it be hard to game or even read text on a 13 inch laptop? i like the idea of a more portable gaming system, but i don't want to sacrifice the ability to actually play the game.

btw im buying from the U.S.
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