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Originally Posted by Narinik View Post

The FX-8350 provides more cores and better multithreaded processing for modeling and rendering. Id also rather spend the money on other hardware like an extra monitor or new speakers.

According to what information?

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/core-i7-4770k-haswell-review,3521-14.html

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/core_i7_4770k_review,17.html

http://hothardware.com/Reviews/Intel-Core-i74770K-Review-Haswell-Has-Landed/?page=14

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2013/06/01/intel-core-i7-4770k-cpu-review/7

and on and on... The i7 haswell consistently beats the FX-8350 while using less power.


FYI: The E3-1230V3 is for all intents and purposes an i7-4770 clocked to 3.3ghz, less the iGPU.

http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Xeon+E3-1230+v3+%40+3.30GHz

Note the E3-1230V3 > FX-8350

Passmark scores are based on parallel workloads that are realistic recreations of real-world workloads in productivity applications (they have a separate chart for single threaded workloads). It is actually very representative of the real-world performance difference between chips.

(There are lots of haters who hate on big because they have nothing better to do than try to tear down anything that threatens their elitism/ego/etc, as such, you'll hear people basically "dismiss" pass-mark scores as meaningless, yet time and time again, they reflect what other reviews and benchmarks show within very reasonable margins. I think a lot of it stems from a distaste for success).

     
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Went back to a few of the articles I had researched from a while ago. Looks like they were comparing to the 3770 not the 4770.
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I really dont play many games now since my machine is really outdated. Id like to get back on eve, maybe some of the newer shooters. Budget is about a grand with a little overflow. I do game dev and would like a machine that can handle some high poly 3d modeling, texturing and rendering hence the 4gb video card and 8 core processor. resolution? 1080p? is that the standard now? I dont think i need 4k.

I would like the possibility of running 3 or more monitors.
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Went back to a few of the articles I had researched from a while ago. Looks like they were comparing to the 3770 not the 4770.

I guess we are on the same boat wink.gif I normally do video editing and 3D. Honestly the 4770K is slightly faster then the 8350 in the task. It depends if you want to spend around £120 extra for like 5 percent increase. But from my experiance that the mistake I made, going from a 8350 to 4770K made barely any improvements but my work colleague has a 3960x which was a killer but that cost a bomb wink.gif I would go for a 8350 and buy a per-build water cooler (even if you for 4770K). Depending on how long and how much you work on 3D modeling or rendering the stock cooler will get loud so get a decent cooler and you would be good.
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Get the 8320,clock it at 8350 levels (good chance you won't even need extra voltage), invest the difference on GPU/SSD etc. 4770k is an overall better cpu so If you can afford both it and the goodies go with that instead. But If your budget doesn't allow that, don't skimp on the GPU because you may end up with a slightly faster system for editing but noticeably worse for gaming.
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This guy posts in the AMD forum and all he gets is a bunch of people telling him to go intel lol. 8350 is the best cpu price/performance out of anything similar, general guidelines, buy a good motherboard, buy good ram to go with it, 1.5V ram preferably.

If he were going to overclock it would be different. The FX-8350 is NOT the best price/performance in this case. The FX-8350/9370/9590 are AMD enthusiast novelty products for people who are specifically looking for a chance at a high OCing 8-core part. By the time we factor in a more expensive 990FX board (they start at $125 last I checked), +100W on the PSU, and likely change to a quieter CPU cooler because the stock one is a screamer, it costs MORE to implement than the E3-1230V3, which performs better in real world conditions.

I know when the Xeon stands out as the best value, and I know when the FX chips do. In this case, the Xeon wins. Especially for gaming performance (Which was indicated by the OP), where the FX parts have to be OCed into the 5ghz territory to be within the same class of performance.

Compare benchmarks of the i7-4770 to an FX-9590 in gaming. The Haswell @80W consistently performs on par or better at 1/3rd the power consumption. E3 is basically the same performance.
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If he were going to overclock it would be different. The FX-8350 is NOT the best price/performance. By the time you factor in a more expensive 990FX board, +100W on the PSU, and likely change to a quieter CPU cooler because the stock one is a screamer, it costs MORE to implement than the E3-1230V3, which performs better in real world conditions.

I know when the Xeon stands out as the best value, and I know when the FX chips do. In this case, the Xeon wins hands down.

since the OP stated that he does not want to overclock then i would be inclined to agree with this post.
the fx is a great price to performance part ONLY when you overclock.
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FX 8350 plus this motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157479
ASRock Killer 990FX

M.2 SSD socket equals double the speed of a SATA6 SSD.
You can't get all the features for that price on an Intel board.
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I recently reviewed the 990FX killer,for a non overclocker it offers great value. Higher cost of 990FX vs cheap Z87 boards is a non issue since OP wants to go SLi and I think such Z87 board are priced quite higher than base models. I still believe FX 8320 is the chip to get if there is a strict budget ,the price difference between it and a xeon or an i7-4770k where I live is that of a 4GB 760 vs a 4GB 770 or a 290.
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ASRock Extreme3 Z87, ASRock Z87 Fata1ty killer, ASRock Extreme4, MSI Z87-G55, Gigabyte GA-Z87X-HD3, Asus Z87-A.

ALL SLI capable Z87 boards. All around or under $130 (some as low as $110). Very comparable in price to "entry" level 990FX boards. The least expensive 990FX boards worth bothering with are the UD3 and EVO, which are usually ~$125 here in the states.


GPU performance has mostly to do with wow-factor graphics settings, and nothing to do with play-ability. Any game can be adjusted to run with smooth FPS on a GTX750 @ 1080P, but not every game will run smooth on a stock clocked FX-8320/8350 no matter what GPU we pair it with or what settings we apply.

If I'm building a non-OCing gaming rig, the ONLY contender that makes any sense at all is an intel chip. Doesn't matter how much the GPU has to suffer it's the only way to ensure that there is enough per-core performance to crest over the "minimums" that make the difference between playable and irritation caused by CPU deficiencies. PD@~4.7-5+ghz with tweaked NB/memory gets over that hump pretty good and can trade blows with stock clocked haswell rigs in gaming workloads well enough. Without that performance tuning the FX-8350 is OFTEN bested by the i3-4130 in games.

I'd rather have an E3-1230V3+GTX760 than a stock clocked FX-8350+GTX770 any day. The GTX760 consistently delivers 80-90% of the performance of the GTX770 for equal settings given the same CPU. There's no game out there that the GTX770 "unlocks" the ability to play with smooth results that the GTX760 can't. When paired with a stronger CPU on the more modern platform (lower latency from the GPU to the CPU and system memory on the Z87 platform), the E3+GTX760 will close the gap on the FX-8350+GTX770 even in GPU bound games so tight that the difference will be negligible.

On the other hand, the FX-8350, does NOT deliver 80-90% of the performance of the E3-1230V3 in gaming. In some games it will make no meaningful difference, but there ARE games that are hyper-sensitive to per-core performance, and in those games, the difference CAN be a deal-breaker for smooth irritation free play-ability. The E3 can literally wind up having DOUBLE (or better) the minimum FPS in those game engines that have too much stacked on a single thread. A high unit count match of Supreme Commander 2 or Starcraft 2 on a stock clocked PD chip is irritating (~15FPS in StarC2 or pulling below real-time game speeds in SupC2). On a haswell i5/E3/i7 chip it is 30+FPS even in worst case conditions and never drops below real-time.
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I see it going for $115 on newegg (no idea how competitive it is and his original solid choice (990FXA-UD3) going for 125 so I am gonna call it a near wash.

Smoothness can be a red herring and minimums are overstated in your post. You may prefer the xeon and the 760 but fact remains an FX-8320 and a 770 will outperform and offer a superior gaming experience/more eye candy in most games out there. GTX 760 can and will dip low at places that a 770 will not. Your solution (dropping graphics detail) has a counter arguement. If he finds a game where the FX has unappealing drops he can always choose to reduce cpu load (eg mesh quality in BF games) or play with fewer players (bf4,maps,wow raids etc).It's the same reasoning.

In each and every GPU bound or mostly GPU bound game out there by going xeon+760 over FX+770 he gets a choice between lower performance or lower eye candy. FX+770 will not just offer 80-90% of xeon+760 performance,but 100%+. Not to mention the Xeon is no 4770k. It lacks 200Mhz and can't be overclocked, K/FX cpus offer that choice for future consideration.
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