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There is nothing wrong with this setup.

Look for a good psu .

Intel people will always say amd is a bad choice but keep it.

It is like the days of you will never need a quad core... What are most of us running? Quad core

You will never need 8 gig of ram.... What is the new entry level of ram? 8gig.

AMD are in some ways just way ahead of time... Some you said you are still using your p4 ( most of the people here don't know what it is) I am going on that statement this is going to be a long term rig.

Now from past experience and seen what has happened.... Amd will be you best bet.
that ud3 has known issues https://teksyndicate.com/forum/motherboards/gigabyte-ga-990fxa-ud3-rev-30-stay-away/139832 here is another thread explaining how to fix the heatsinks http://www.overclock.net/t/1440428/gigabyte-ga-990fxa-ud3-rev-3-0-vrm-and-northbridge-temps-solution/0_10 would be better to just get a diff board.
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I see it is the smaller one. I thought it was the std... Ud3. My bad.

Get the 990fx ud3 or better yet ud5 rev1.

I have the ud5 rev 1 and ud7 rev3

The ud7 rev3 is horrible for overclocking but the ud5 rev 1 is brilliant


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After sawing that what happened to someone else comp, make sure you don't go buy a cheapo low quality PSU. Get Corsair, Seasonic or what that is high quality and have a good brand rep.
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http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3he6l



You can substitute several brands in the above price range.
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ASRock Extreme3 Z87, ASRock Z87 Fata1ty killer, ASRock Extreme4, MSI Z87-G55, Gigabyte GA-Z87X-HD3, Asus Z87-A.

ALL SLI capable Z87 boards. All around or under $130 (some as low as $110). Very comparable in price to "entry" level 990FX boards. The least expensive 990FX boards worth bothering with are the UD3 and EVO, which are usually ~$125 here in the states.


GPU performance has mostly to do with wow-factor graphics settings, and nothing to do with play-ability. Any game can be adjusted to run with smooth FPS on a GTX750 @ 1080P, but not every game will run smooth on a stock clocked FX-8320/8350 no matter what GPU we pair it with or what settings we apply.

If I'm building a non-OCing gaming rig, the ONLY contender that makes any sense at all is an intel chip. Doesn't matter how much the GPU has to suffer it's the only way to ensure that there is enough per-core performance to crest over the "minimums" that make the difference between playable and irritation caused by CPU deficiencies. PD@~4.7-5+ghz with tweaked NB/memory gets over that hump pretty good and can trade blows with stock clocked haswell rigs in gaming workloads well enough. Without that performance tuning the FX-8350 is OFTEN bested by the i3-4130 in games.

I'd rather have an E3-1230V3+GTX760 than a stock clocked FX-8350+GTX770 any day. The GTX760 consistently delivers 80-90% of the performance of the GTX770 for equal settings given the same CPU. There's no game out there that the GTX770 "unlocks" the ability to play with smooth results that the GTX760 can't. When paired with a stronger CPU on the more modern platform (lower latency from the GPU to the CPU and system memory on the Z87 platform), the E3+GTX760 will close the gap on the FX-8350+GTX770 even in GPU bound games so tight that the difference will be negligible.

On the other hand, the FX-8350, does NOT deliver 80-90% of the performance of the E3-1230V3 in gaming. In some games it will make no meaningful difference, but there ARE games that are hyper-sensitive to per-core performance, and in those games, the difference CAN be a deal-breaker for smooth irritation free play-ability. The E3 can literally wind up having DOUBLE (or better) the minimum FPS in those game engines that have too much stacked on a single thread. A high unit count match of Supreme Commander 2 or Starcraft 2 on a stock clocked PD chip is irritating (~15FPS in StarC2 or pulling below real-time game speeds in SupC2). On a haswell i5/E3/i7 chip it is 30+FPS even in worst case conditions and never drops below real-time.

Interesting thoughts. With my CPU at 4.4, which is pretty much a turbo core speed 8350, I never see higher than 85% (average of ~75%) usage on any core while playing BF3 (64 players), or Crysis 3 mp or sp. But, I do see 99% (call it 100) GPU usage when playing either of these games.

I find it hard to believe that any game besides Starcraft or a similar title, would perform better on a 760 and an Intel processor, than would a 770 and an FX-8350 at the same graphics settings.

Can you provide some support for these claims? I would be very interested to see this if it is true.

Don't get me wrong, I would love an i7 in my next build and plan on finding one for it. But, I do not believe your claims are correct.
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Which 3d modelling programs do you use?and the maximum budget is?
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Intel vs AMD. The forever long debate.
Long drawn out points about AMD vs Intel debate (Click to show)
Now, here are the facts. (Read the whole thing before you blindly comment, because I wont respond)
Intel chips over the 3770k are faster then the 8350. That means that the 4770k, 3820, 4820k, etc. Are indeed faster in real world tests overall. (I am not counting things like floating point whatevers and decimal do-da's). Now, thats not to say that they are the best for your money. AMD is much better for that, though recently, their mobo prices are rising, which is bringing that threshold down. Now, basically, you are just saving on the CPU, if you want a decent overclocking board. *subject to change*. That being said, the 8350 vs a similarly priced intel chip, we are going to use the 4570 non-k for this. The 8350 is going to wipe the floor with it all day and then overclock and bury it. But anyone who honestly says that the 8350's direct competition is the 4770k is on crack. Sure it can keep up just great most of the time, but it just doesn't have what it takes to surpass it. I'm talking not overclocked, because im not getting into that. The 8350's direct competition is more like the 4670K. Averages in game are very similar across 99% of games. Thats just how it is.

Now the FX-9390 is a different story. Its basically a guaranteed 5GHz 8350/20. That being said, its no slouch. I would say thats the direct competition to the 4770k. Why would I say that when the 8350 could get up to 5GHz? Because of the simple fact that thats a could and not a can. The 4770k can get to 4.5GHz, the 8350 could get to 5GHz if you're lucky. Now, I'm still not bringing stupid benchmarks and floating point whatevers into this because those are stupid. If you play games, your not using benchmarks all day, your playing games, and thats what this is about, gaming. And if you even bring up a 3Dmark/cinebench/valley benchmark, you will instantly ignored by me because those aren't games. They are a simulation.

I would also like to say I'm not a fanboy at all. Why do I have an Intel processor and GPU? The CPU because it suited my needs and the GPU's because I bought them when the Radeon's were obnoxiously more expensive then the Nvidia's because of the mining takeoff. Now they have pretty much leveled off, but the AMD's are still a little more then I'm willing to spend. Thats the only reason. I'm a fan of whatever will give me A: The best performance for my needs and B: The best performance for my price. Again, if you comment on this without reading the whole thing, and its easy to tell, I will simply ignore you.
This is my 2 cents and I'm tired of this debate. Honestly.

*EDIT*
Woops, in my rage of having to see another thread go to crap because of this debate I forgot to give OP my advice.

Your rig for a grand, take a look at this.

CPU: AMD FX-8320 3.5GHz 8-Core Processor ($139.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-990FXA-UD3 ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($123.99 @ NCIX US)
Memory: Kingston Black 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($64.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 EVO 250GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($139.99 @ Best Buy)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($54.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon R9 280X 3GB Video Card ($319.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Enermax ECA3280A-BL ATX Mid Tower Case ($64.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Rosewill Capstone 750W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($112.56 @ Amazon)
Optical Drive: Samsung SH-224DB/BEBE DVD/CD Writer ($15.98 @ OutletPC)
Total: $1037.47

I'm a little over, but I wanted to get that nice sized SSD in there. You could go down to the 120GB Samsung 840 EVO instead and be under. I went with the 8320 because of the price-performance ratio. I seriously challenge someone to find a brand new processor as fast as that one for the same price, being $140. Picked a nice motherboard, I'm pretty sure they fixed that problem they had a while back with the mosfets or something. If not the Asus M5A99X EVO R2.0 will be your next choice. 8GB ram, very standard. Now I chose the R9 280X, and that one in particular, because its just as fast as the GTX 770, but that one has that small brace on the back of the card. I have 2 GTX 770's and they do flex just a little bit, just enough to make the fans tick ever so slightly (elastic on the end of the card fixes it). I chose that case because I wanted to, lol. The Capstone I recommend to anyone (in the US, in Canada they aint cheap). Optical drive is for installing OS, not playing games lol.

Any questions ask!

*EDIT AGAIN*
If you want to debate on intel vs AMD, http://www.overclock.net/newsearch?search=intel+vs+amd post in any of those dedicated threads to it, not here where OP is asking advise on his new build. If he wanted to know the differences, he would look simply do a google search and find lots of info to soak in.
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I haven't built a rig in almost 10 years. It has come time to upgrade from my P4 system I built in high school. I decided to go with an FX-8350 and build from there. i don't plan to OC anything for a while or if at all. I know I want 8gb ram and a 4gb video card with sli/crossfire support to add a second card in the future. This is all mostly from just reading forums/reviews so I could be way off in building a decent gaming rig for about a grand.
Any suggestions on where to go from here or anything I could change?

CPU: AMD FX-8350 Black
MoBo: Gigabyte GA-990FXA-UD3
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866
Video: GIGABYTE GV-N770OC-4GD GeForce GTX 770 4GB
But anything said in this thread that doesn't start with an 8350 and end with what he needs to go with it, is not in the spirit of the thread. Hence why I said I was fighting off commenting now 5 pages ago.

Based on that bolded part there should never have been mention of the word Intel. He asked for advice on a board in regards to future CF/SLI options and perhaps a PSU to boot.
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The 8350 will be just fine for what you want to do and will last as long as your P4 build did. The parts you listed look good. 770 is a great card and gskill make great ram. Maybe going to 16gb if you can find a good deal if you plan on keeping it for awhile. 8 cores will last a long time for modeling work and will provide plenty of power for gaming. I would recommend getting a good cooler though. 8 cores like to get hot.
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I would recommend getting a good cooler though. 8 cores like to get hot.
Maybe the Cooler Master Hyper 212, considering he isn't overclocking? I've used the cooler myself, it is a beast for 25 bucks.
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