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I myself chose to go with the Asus Sabertooth 990FX to pair with my 8350. To keep it cool O.C'ed or not Iuse the kraken x60 with 280mm rad. Anything else would feel like I was going backwards.thumb.gif
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It wasn't just the AMD/Intel war, though that was part of it. Got me to doubt my decisions. My school/work schedule doesnt leave me enough time to research and price compare all the suggestions. So in that right you guys are awesome for giving me tons of options, I just dont have the time to put together a decent rig that will last me a while and come under budget. I think im going to wait a month or two and try this again when I have a little more time to invest in it.

So once again thank you all, its given me a lot to look at. I really like the closed loop coolers! I never knew about them before so I think im gonna try and get one for the build. Nice way to do better then air but not have to deal with a full water system. thumb.gif

I dont know if you saw my earlier post on prices and parts. IMO those components that i listed are some of your best bet for PC build and should suit your needs and last for the nxt couple of years. If you'd like more help, feel free to PM. I like to help my friends when they want to build a new PC, all i tell them is give me a budget and ill give you a list of parts and take it from there. I think the debates going on here just threw you off, but if you just want a quick idea to what you would like to build, look at my previous post, or PM. Dont feel discouraged, most of us are here to help.
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I dont know if you saw my earlier post on prices and parts. IMO those components that i listed are some of your best bet for PC build and should suit your needs and last for the nxt couple of years. If you'd like more help, feel free to PM. I like to help my friends when they want to build a new PC, all i tell them is give me a budget and ill give you a list of parts and take it from there. I think the debates going on here just threw you off, but if you just want a quick idea to what you would like to build, look at my previous post, or PM. Dont feel discouraged, most of us are here to help.
Agreed, I am more then happy to help and hate this ongoing debate. Let OP buy whatever he wants, unless its like, I want a pentium D CPU and 4x GTX Titan Black's for watching movies, lol.
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AMD build recommendations pop up all the time in budget Intel build threads when AMD offers a valid alternative. When the workloads favor it (requiring access to special instruction capabilities, or the ability to leverage CMT scaling better) and the user would prefer a performance-tunable option in a price class that Intel doesn't offer, AMD offers a competitive choice. Unless you're all prepared to hold up this bogus moral standard of CPU affirmative action on both sides of the isle then I am perfectly content to write most of you off as volunteer AMD representatives. I expect you'll all be over in those intel threads berating those who would dare post AMD build recommendations in an "Intel" build thread.

I know this is a hard pill to swallow for AMD enthusiasts, but Haswell has 60-80% higher IPC than Pile-driver when compared 1 thread per core vs 1 thread per module, which is still representative of a large majority of real world workloads on an "8-threaded" chip (most workloads don't exceed 4 threads in a manner than provides proportional scaling with the added parallelism). The maximum potential performance added via parallelism from CMT and SMT beyond that baseline is approximately+80% for PD module and +30% for Haswell core. Haswell is better suited to the types of things most people do with their computers. I'm not going to sweep the truth about this under the rug to satisfy a bogus moral initiative created by AMD fanboys. I'm sorry this thread had to be the one to get messy over this but I'm not sorry about a single word of anything I have shared.
     
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AMD build recommendations pop up all the time in budget Intel build threads when AMD offers a valid alternative. When the workloads favor it (requiring access to special instruction capabilities, or the ability to leverage CMT scaling better) and the user would prefer a performance-tunable option in a price class that Intel doesn't offer, AMD offers a competitive choice. Unless you're all prepared to hold up this bogus moral standard of CPU affirmative action on both sides of the isle then I am perfectly content to write most of you off as volunteer AMD representatives. I expect you'll all be over in those intel threads berating those who would dare post AMD build recommendations in an "Intel" build thread.

I know this is a hard pill to swallow for AMD enthusiasts, but Haswell has 60-80% higher IPC than Pile-driver when compared 1 thread per core vs 1 thread per module, which is still representative of a large majority of real world workloads on an "8-threaded" chip (most workloads don't exceed 4 threads in a manner than provides proportional scaling with the added parallelism). The maximum potential performance added via parallelism from CMT and SMT beyond that baseline is approximately+80% for PD module and +30% for Haswell core. Haswell is better suited to the types of things most people do with their computers. I'm not going to sweep the truth about this under the rug to satisfy a bogus moral initiative created by AMD fanboys. I'm sorry this thread had to be the one to get messy over this but I'm not sorry about a single word of anything I have shared.
I do agree with you as well. People defend the AMD section more from Intel posts then the Intel section defending against AMD posts. But you also did say that, unless op has stated, after seeing viable options from the opposing side, still wants x-processor/card brand, then let him. Though I do have to say, OP was mis-informed THIS time (from my personal experience). Though, a solution for next time would be to take it to another thread and link it. That way it saves the OP from getting spammed in his build thread, and then you can argue to your hearts content without people getting annoyed at derailment.
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IPC=/= "performance per core" or single thread performance , btw.
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IPC=/= "performance per core" or single thread performance , btw.

Does me not saying that PD clocks higher in the same breath mean that I am bias for not saying it, or that you are bias for being the first to be bothered by me not saying it? Fun eh?

Under the conditions I have listed [1 thread per core vs 1 thread per module] the difference in IPC is ~80%. After accounting for clock speed differences, the difference in IPS is ~60%.

This isn't phenom II vs Nahalem era anymore. The difference in IPS in lightly threaded workloads has growth to a WIDE margin over the last few years. It's why we see the i3-4130 besting the FX-8350 in lots of real world applications and games.
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Does me not saying that PD clocks higher in the same breath mean that I am bias for not saying it, or that you are bias for being the first to be bothered by me not saying it? Fun eh?

Under the conditions I have listed [1 thread per core vs 1 thread per module] the difference in IPC is ~80%. After accounting for clock speed differences, the difference in IPS is ~60%.

This isn't phenom II vs Nahalem era anymore. The difference in IPS in lightly threaded workloads has growth to a WIDE margin over the last few years. It's why we see the i3-4130 besting the FX-8350 in lots of real world applications and games.
his point, and I have to agree, is aplay on words. Even the way you ended your post is misleading. In current games over just the past year and those coming out now that i3 is a very poor choice. Using games from the 90s and the early part of the last decade is not really indicative of true performance and the direction the industry is heading.
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Does me not saying that PD clocks higher in the same breath mean that I am bias for not saying it, or that you are bias for being the first to be bothered by me not saying it? Fun eh?

Under the conditions I have listed [1 thread per core vs 1 thread per module] the difference in IPC is ~80%. After accounting for clock speed differences, the difference in IPS is ~60%.

This isn't phenom II vs Nahalem era anymore. The difference in IPS in lightly threaded workloads has growth to a WIDE margin over the last few years. It's why we see the i3-4130 besting the FX-8350 in lots of real world applications and games.

Not talking about differences in frequencies. Again, IPC=/=ST performance.IPC is a metric of the whole processor and it is different from one application to another (depends how well threaded the app is or what instruction sets it supports etc). An i7-2600k for example has higher ipc in cinebench 11.5 vs a 4670k but lower performance per core. This has nothing to do with AMD vs intel or whatever.
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Not talking about differences in frequencies. Again, IPC=/=ST performance.IPC is a metric of the whole processor and it is different from one application to another (depends how well threaded the app is or what instruction sets it supports etc). An i7-2600k for example has higher ipc in cinebench 11.5 vs a 4670k but lower perfornance per core.

Actually, IPC means International Plumbing Code. You want to go down this road? Are you really the authority on what it is and isn't?

You're as bad as a politician choosing the route of a character assassination just to change the whole debate. Far as I'm concerned, anyone who resorts to these carefully woven mountains of going in circles over semantics is actually just trying to create a distraction. You can't dictate the terms or conditions that I am allowed to use the term "IPC." You have absolutely no authority to do so.

If I say, "Instruction per cycle under X conditions" and then compare and contrast the performance under those conditions, then there is no error. Quit trying to bury something because you don't like it.

There is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING regarding the term "IPC" that requires the inclusion of all available resources. It CAN include those conditions.


"IPC" is open ended. It's just an acronym for "Instruction Per Cycle." Beyond that it carries absolutely no conditions.
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