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There is also mineos, I'm not sure how current it is though been awhile since I've tried it.
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There is also mineos, I'm not sure how current it is though been awhile since I've tried it.

Link for the lazy:

http://minecraft.codeemo.com/

I've used it once or twice. Until I started hosting my MC server on a VPS.
    
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Yea but it not a dedicated to minecraft server..

Gonna run some of my file on filezilla ftp ( if i can get a hdd big enough lol ( speed limited on upload download im not stupids still ahah tongue.gif

Minecraft 5-6 slot depending of the cpu

And rigs of rods 5-8 slot


I think i will run vmware for the ftp server for safety with limited resource


The problem now is cpu

I was looking at the sempron 145 if i can unlock it i have enough power.. if not im in crap

Now looking for used cpu on am3 am3+ smile.gif
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I doubt a sempron will be able to do that well. Use sftp instead if just ftp.
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Sempron 145 would be seriously incapable of handling such a demand.

The only way you could use that Processor well is if you pre generated the map, in that case you would be mostly fine unless you are heavy on plug-ins or want to use lots of mob-spawner traps and TNT.

With 10+ people on my Athlon 64x2 4200+, I rarely maxed out in CPU usage with a pre-generated map, but without it 5 people walking around generating terrain could bring the load to 100% and often it would spam that it couldn't keep up.

If you're open to buying a new CPU/MOBO/RAM, then I'd recommend getting a Haswell Celeron. Either the G1820 or G1830 would be capable of handling this kind of load without a pregenerated map, provided you guys don't use fly mods to speed across the map triggering tons of terrain generation at the same time.

The G1820 is around $40
Microcenter: http://www.microcenter.com/product/428533/Celeron_G1820_27GHz_LGA_1150_Boxed_processor
Newegg: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116974

The G1830 is around $55
Fry's: http://www.frys.com/product/7978710
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AMD still makes the Sempron? Yikes.
    
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dont try to explain me how minecraft work i run it on a stupids pentium m 730 with 512mb ram and 1 mbit upload with 6 people without problem about 1 years ago on buckit with some mod

that sempron destroy 2x the pentium m and if i unlock it it more than capable ( if i can unlock it )



but anyways im looking at used cpu right now

and the plan is the buy the sempron to test the mobo and run it until i drop my fx 6300 in it that have 10x more power than i need





and intel mobo cost alot and are crap in low end

while the am3+ micro atx i see have heatsink 4+1 vrm 4 ram slot integrated ati 3000 and IDE support and usb 3.0 i think my choice is easy
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Go with that then but you are going to be in the minority of the sempron will work fine.
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dont try to explain me how minecraft work i run it on a stupids pentium m 730 with 512mb ram and 1 mbit upload with 6 people without problem about 1 years ago on buckit with some mod

that sempron destroy 2x the pentium m and if i unlock it it more than capable ( if i can unlock it )



but anyways im looking at used cpu right now

and the plan is the buy the sempron to test the mobo and run it until i drop my fx 6300 in it that have 10x more power than i need





and intel mobo cost alot and are crap in low end

while the am3+ micro atx i see have heatsink 4+1 vrm 4 ram slot integrated ati 3000 and IDE support and usb 3.0 i think my choice is easy

I'm not telling you that you can't use it, just that it would be seriously limiting for Minecraft hosting. I'm basing that off personal experience with a CPU that benches higher than the Sempron, an Athlon 64 X2 4200+. I've hosted a server for about 2 years and without pregenerating the map, the Athlon I used constantly got overloaded when multiple people explored terrain which was not before seen or when people played with TNT as OP.

Once the terrain is generated, you can host MC on the Sempron fine but you will still experience overloads with most world editing/TNT.

The reason for upgrading a MOBO/CPU would be for better performance per dollar, just compare the performance of the Sempron and those Celerons I suggested. They can be had for the same price.

Sempron $40 - http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=AMD+Sempron+145&id=403
Celeron $40 - http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Celeron+G1820+%40+2.70GHz&id=2129

Sempron - 811
Celeron - 2657 (1500 single-threaded)

Buying a Sempron is kind of a bad deal, unless you get it really cheap and already have the motherboard for it.

Since RAID0 is only really beneficial for sequential stuff, and RAID1 isn't always faster for reading, I don't think RAID in any form should be a requirement for the motherboard for this build if it's just for Minecraft server hosting.

Even an H81 motherboard would do fine for reaching this goal, and those can be had for real cheap.
Integrated graphics aren't important for server hosting, and the Celerons come with Intel HD graphics, which the H81 chipset allows the use of.

As far as I know, the Intel HD also beats the ATI3000. See below.
Radeon 3000 http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/gpu.php?gpu=Radeon+3000
Intel HD Graphics http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/gpu.php?gpu=Intel+HD+Family&id=37

...both suck, and even if these are perfectly accurate scores, they're both going to suck but they're going to do the job well enough for sending a display to the monitor. You'll be hosting on this setup, not playing it so the GPU is not important.

The higher you have the server settings, the more bandwidth and CPU it will use.
I've reached overloads with the view distance being 5 and 6 people online exploring. The nether was also quite brutal on map generating loads.

Server.properties view distance setting
(2x, +1, Squared = Total Server Rendered Chunks) Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
3 - 49 Chunks (2x setting, +1, squared)
4 - 91
5 - 121
6 - 169
7 - 225
8 - 289
9 - 361
10 - 441
11 - 529
12 - 625
13 - 729
14 - 841
15 - 961

Let's say you have 4 people on the server. They're all playing together building a town. Two players decide to go mining in different directions, they won't affect server performance much at all but if when they return they decided the 4 of them should split into two groups of 2 and explore in different directions, you would double the number of chunks being processed by the server instantly as soon as they all move 15 chunks away from each other.

If your server can handle 6-15 people on near the spawn, it's not a safe bet at all to assume the server will maintain that performance.

One person online at 15 view distance is about the same CPU load as 20 players online in different locations on the map at a view distance of 3. (961 vs 980).

Server performance is only important to the point where it can achieve it's goal, beyond that it can be considered wasted resources but going over can never hurt because it allows for growth, and unexpected loads.

You did not tell us anything about those 6-15 people you expect. Are they expected to be the total number of players, or the daily load on at the same time? Are they friends(likely to stick together), or random people (likely to wander alone randomly)?

While I was hosting, I hosted for two weeks on my i7 rig instead of the Athlon and people quickly told me it made quite a big difference. The Athlon was doing "OK" but it did sometimes cause some noticeable lag when people explored. I then generated a 10kx10k map, and hosted on the Athlon and didn't get a single complaint other than when World Editing was taking place or if people left a mob trap unattended for hours. Both of those can be avoided, by world editing when less people are on, editing smaller sections, and telling people to add deactivation switches for their mob traps, make a point to not let it gather thousands, or using a plugin to auto-kill hostile mobs spawned by a trap every hour or so.
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