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Well, I would say that all of the Titan cards are aimed squarely at CUDA development. For this purpose, the Titan cards are outright superior to the 780 and 780ti; if i'm not mistaken, the 780 has DP 1/26th of Titan Z's speed.

However, this is certainly not the product I wanted from nvidia. I was hoping for a consumer level GTX 790 along with some maxwell tidbits, which of course did not happen. So I was disappointed. Yet the pricing of the Titan Z is fine for the target market. The target market is not primarily for gaming, it is for CUDA development - and the Titan cards do not have cut down compute capabilities so they are superior to the 780s in that respect.

Like I said though, this is certainly not what I expected. I definitely was disappointed yesterday. But the price shouldn't be surprising considering that it's a CUDA compute card first and foremost. Sure, you can game on it, but why would the PC gamer buy this? It doesn't even make sense for a PC gamer to get this, especially when 6GB 780s are being released at 550$. I mean, you can SLI 780ti cards in 2 way and get better performance anyway, so I can't really see any gamer getting a Titan Z. I can see a CUDA developer getting a Titan Z, though.
post #402 of 747
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Originally Posted by fateswarm View Post

AMD proved it by trying to make a smaller chip to save costs and they failed. And don't tell me they cared about temperature. They obviously cared about price.

Nvidia cares about the price too and they still make a 500+mm^2 die.

Nvidia can sell loads of these chips in a high margins market and AMD have to sell it in a low margin for gamers and they can't charge as much as Nvidia on top of that.

It's not about the price, it just doesn't make any financial sense.
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Originally Posted by xoleras View Post

Well, I would say that all of the Titan cards are aimed squarely at CUDA development. For this purpose, the Titan cards are outright superior to the 780 and 780ti; if i'm not mistaken, the 780 has DP 1/26th of Titan Z's speed.

However, this is certainly not the product I wanted from nvidia. I was hoping for a consumer level GTX 790 along with some maxwell tidbits, which of course did not happen. So I was disappointed. Yet the pricing of the Titan Z is fine for the target market. The target market is not primarily for gaming, it is for CUDA development - and the Titan cards do not have cut down compute capabilities so they are superior to the 780s in that respect.

Like I said though, this is certainly not what I expected. I definitely was disappointed yesterday. But the price shouldn't be surprising considering that it's a CUDA compute card first and foremost. Sure, you can game on it, but why would the PC gamer buy this? It doesn't even make sense for a PC gamer to get this, especially when 6GB 780s are being released at 550$. I mean, you can SLI 780ti cards in 2 way and get better performance anyway, so I can't really see any gamer getting a Titan Z. I can see a CUDA developer getting a Titan Z, though.

I dont want to make any claims but even 2 x GTX780s will beat this card let alone if they are custom models. This card probably has much lower Core clocks and Boost stages.
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Nvidia cares about the price too and they still make a 500+mm^2 die.

Nvidia can sell loads of these chips in a high margins market and AMD have to sell it in a low margin for gamers and they can't charge as much as Nvidia on top of that.

It's not about the price, it just doesn't make any financial sense.

Well. AMD does seem to sell to people that don't see 290s aren't that cost effective at the moment.

That means AMD also has its "herd".

..truth be told.
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I dont want to make any claims but even 2 x GTX780s will beat this card let alone if they are custom models. This card probably has much lower Core clocks and Boost stages.

Did you read the post? Will 2x 780s beat Titan, Titan Black, or Titan Z at CUDA development? No, no, and no. Not even close. That's why the Titan cards have a higher price tag. I'm not saying I like this, but the product segmentation isn't only for gaming. Sure you CAN game on them. But that isn't the only design intent, nor the primary design intent.

The target market is primarily for CUDA development, and the 780 cannot touch the Titans in this aspect. Period. Now like I said, this is not the product I wanted from nvidia so I was left disappointed. Make no mistake, I would much rather have a 790 rather than Titan Z. So yes,...disappointed at the news yesterday. But CUDA developers will have no issue with the price of this card, and no, the 780 will not perform anywhere near it since the 780 is 1/26th of Titan Z's compute/CUDA capability.
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Did you read the post? Will 2x 780s beat Titan, Titan Black, or Titan Z at CUDA development? No, no, and no. Not even close. That's why the Titan cards have a higher price tag. I'm not saying I like this, but the product segmentation isn't only for gaming. Sure you CAN game on them. But that isn't the only design intent, nor the primary design intent.

The target market is primarily for CUDA development, and the 780 cannot touch the Titans in this aspect. Period. Now like I said, this is not the product I wanted from nvidia so I was left disappointed. Make no mistake, I would much rather have a 790 rather than Titan Z. So yes,...disappointed at the news yesterday. But CUDA developers will have no issue with the price of this card, and no, the 780 will not perform anywhere near it since the 780 is 1/26th of Titan Z's compute/CUDA capability.

GeForce GTX TITAN Z is a gaming monster, built to power the most extreme gaming rigs on the planet. With a massive 5760 cores and 12 GB of 7 Gbps GDDR5 memory, TITAN Z gives you truly amazing performance—easily making it the fastest graphics card we’ve ever made.

This is a serious card built for serious gamers. TITAN Z is designed with the highest-grade components to deliver the best experience – incredible speed and cool, quiet performance—all in a stunningly crafted aluminum case.

If you’re looking for the ultimate in gaming power, GeForce GTX TITAN Z is your card. Arriving April.


http://www.geforce.com/whats-new/articles/announcing-the-geforce-gtx-titan-z
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Did you read the post? Will 2x 780s beat Titan, Titan Black, or Titan Z at CUDA development? No, no, and no. Not even close. That's why the Titan cards have a higher price tag. I'm not saying I like this, but the product segmentation isn't only for gaming. Sure you CAN game on them. But that isn't the only design intent, nor the primary design intent.

The target market is primarily for CUDA development, and the 780 cannot touch the Titans in this aspect. Period. Now like I said, this is not the product I wanted from nvidia so I was left disappointed. Make no mistake, I would much rather have a 790 rather than Titan Z. So yes,...disappointed at the news yesterday. But CUDA developers will have no issue with the price of this card, and no, the 780 will not perform anywhere near it since the 780 is 1/26th of Titan Z's compute/CUDA capability.

GeForce GTX TITAN Z is a gaming monster, built to power the most extreme gaming rigs on the planet. With a massive 5760 cores and 12 GB of 7 Gbps GDDR5 memory, TITAN Z gives you truly amazing performance—easily making it the fastest graphics card we’ve ever made.

This is a serious card built for serious gamers. TITAN Z is designed with the highest-grade components to deliver the best experience – incredible speed and cool, quiet performance—all in a stunningly crafted aluminum case.

If you’re looking for the ultimate in gaming power, GeForce GTX TITAN Z is your card. Arriving April.


http://www.geforce.com/whats-new/articles/announcing-the-geforce-gtx-titan-z

 

:lachen:

 

cringed* at the number of times "gamer" was mentioned.

 

nvidia knows no shame.

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Looks like 2.5.
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Looks like 2.5.
I don't see anything sticking out past the 2nd slot...
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