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It's always fun to see an outdated government agency suddenly try to deal with modern tech.

In other words, this won't work.
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Originally Posted by Chakravant View Post

If virtual currency is treated as property, I can't wait to see the taxes owed by Activision/Blizzard for every in-game WoW transaction made in the past year.

This judgement is so incredibly short sighted I foresee it being reverted before April 15th.

I would wager blizzard pays taxes on the income it gets from in game purchases and fees from the AH. Its income and must be reported.

As far as taxing bitcoins its perfectly fine. If you do nothing but mine and sell your coins its income and should be taxed as income. If you use it as an investment mechanism when you sell you should be taxed on the gains just like if it was a stock. I don't get why people think this is bad.
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Originally Posted by Dyson Poindexter View Post

What about the altcoins?

This falls under virtual currency so I would think these as well.
 
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Just another excuse to get moar money. plain and simple.
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Can`t wait to see gpu price falling.
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I would wager blizzard pays taxes on the income it gets from in game purchases and fees from the AH. Its income and must be reported.
You're missing the point. The IRS just said ALL virtual currency is property. This ruling says Blizzard must pay taxes on the sum value of all WoW gold, as well as on the "profits" made from every AH transaction. In-game currency is virtual currency, and now must be reported and given a fair market value. For WoW, where the currency is owned by Blizzard under the EULA, Blizzard must report it as it is their virtual property.

This ruling is the height of dumb.
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cool ; can write off massive loss now, scedulele A me please /sarc

you joke, but if it works the way property does, you may be able to write it off as losses, the same way you can write off realized stock market losses. If you have lost a good amount of money, you should definitely find a tax specialist and look into it.

This is bad for bitcoin profits but may be good for anyone who has been hosed by the market.

quote from article "What type of gain or loss does a taxpayer realize on the sale or exchange of virtual currency?

A-7: The character of the gain or loss generally depends on whether the virtual currency is a capital asset in the hands of the taxpayer. A taxpayer generally realizes capital gain or loss on the sale or exchange of virtual currency that is a capital asset in the hands of the taxpayer. For example, stocks, bonds, and other investment property are generally capital assets. A taxpayer generally realizes ordinary gain or loss on the sale or exchange of virtual currency that is not a capital asset in the hands of the taxpayer. Inventory and other property held mainly for sale to customers in a trade or business are examples of property that is not a capital asset. See Publication 544 for more information about capital assets and the character of gain or loss."

If it works the same way as stocks(which it looks to be), then if you bought in at a high price and sold it back into USD at a lower price you have losses, and can reduce your income by said losses. depending on your income and how much you lost, this could be hundreds of dollars saved on taxes and into your refund.
Edited by Wakalakaz - 3/25/14 at 12:18pm
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You're missing the point. The IRS just said ALL virtual currency is property. This ruling says Blizzard must pay taxes on the sum value of all WoW gold, as well as on the "profits" made from every AH transaction. In-game currency is virtual currency, and now must be reported and given a fair market value. For WoW, where the currency is owned by Blizzard under the EULA, Blizzard must report it as it is their virtual property.

This ruling is the height of dumb.

You are missing the point they mean real world virtual currency. Your taking the definition the wrong way. They are referring to virtual currencies you can take and use to buy real goods/services or make investment gains off of. I guess if someone bought 2k gold from wow and held onto it and sold it for 10 bucks its technically similar but since blizzard has TOS against that its not even close to the same. This stuff is supposed to be used as currency in the real world it just has no physical counterpart. Countries money supply consists of physical and electronic( Virtual) currency bit coin is a type of currency that only has the virtual counterpart.

Blizzard in game gold is not the same as it is only for use in game. The comparison is farthest off base it could be.
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And that we never had to use.

And the reason we never have to use them is because we have them. If we didn't have the biggest stick we would get poked......
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You are missing the point they mean real world virtual currency. Your taking the definition the wrong way. They are referring to virtual currencies you can take and use to buy real goods/services or make investment gains off of. I guess if someone bought 2k gold from wow and held onto it and sold it for 10 bucks its technically similar but since blizzard has TOS against that its not even close to the same. This stuff is supposed to be used as currency in the real world it just has no physical counterpart. Countries money supply consists of physical and electronic( Virtual) currency bit coin is a type of currency that only has the virtual counterpart.

Blizzard in game gold is not the same as it is only for use in game. The comparison is farthest off base it could be.
First off, real world virtual currency is a rather oxymoronic term. It is either real world, or virtual. Second, the IRS ruling makes no such distinction. It regards virtual currency. Period. Full stop. We can argue the intent of the law until we are blue in the face. I don't want to do that. I want to talk about the ruling as it is written, and the implications of the ruling as it is written.

As it stands, all virtual currency of all kinds is now considered property. Simcity cash is now taxable, as is D2 gold. That is why this ruling will be thrown out. it is so broad in scope that it would damage game developers to the point that they will lobby against it, or get the ruling changed at the very least.
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