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well, thats not the problem, i do play only CS:GO and League of Legends

in CS:GO i use 400 or 450 dpi, in LOL something abotu 1000, so 1150 wont be a problem, and can also slow it down in lol settings, also CS:GO got huge backstage to change mouse sensitivity.

My Deathadder 2013 was perfect, if i meant to play CounterStrike:GO, but when it came to play LOL, sometimes it was so terrible..., like i dont know why, maybe the buttons were 2 soft and responsible, or i actually could feel the smoothing effect of DA 2013, as people said.

I have really no idea, but in CS:GO that mouse was perfect, in LOL, i had really some though times, playing it.

And mostly i decided to change mouse, because i do play LOL Competitively on LANS, so, yeah.

Or maybe i think its because, when i played CS:GO as i said i've been used to Palm Grip, while in playing LOL, i used more like FingerTip Grip

Aha, in that case the Zowie mouse sounds ideal provided you aren't going to be exceeding the perfect control speed of ~3.5-4 m/s when playing CS. Sounds like you play LOL competitively and not CS though so you should be fine.
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Aha, in that case the Zowie mouse sounds ideal provided you aren't going to be exceeding the perfect control speed of ~3.5-4 m/s when playing CS. Sounds like you play LOL competitively and not CS though so you should be fine.


is there a big difference in that control speed? does it grants you something better over other mices? biggrin.gif

After i buy mouse, im gonna for sure also buy a Mousepad ZOWIE GT-F Speed, is it also a good mousepad for that mouse? biggrin.gif
post #13 of 38
You said you find the rival and da feeling kinda strange? can you explain what you find change?

Most people need to adapt some time to the new shape of a mouse.
Its common the shape feels strange at start.
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You said you find the rival and da feeling kinda strange? can you explain what you find change?

Most people need to adapt some time to the new shape of a mouse.
Its common the shape feels strange at start.

Sure, abou Rival:


I dont like the shape of Rival to play LoL, as i said, cant really FingerTip, it, the mouse switches, are more responsible to press at the top, when i do try to press them at the middle-bottom of the mouse.

personaly i hate Rival Switches, dont know how to exactly name them - Steelseries-Omron something, just hate them, they are really strange to press for me, since i tried Huanos or normal Omrons, they feel to be a lot faster in terms of performance ( actually its my opinion, dont know how it exactly is)

in Rival also i hate the strange thing, that annyos me everytime i play CS:GO, when i lift my mouse up, a bit at the top, the sensor is not working, when i lift my mouse a bit at the bottom of the mouse, it is working. Thats the most annoying thing i have noticed first.

Last one thing -> something is rattling inside.

DA - perfect mouse glides, the curves at the top of the mouse around left and right switch is kinda annyoing, but you can manage to live with it

Smoothing effect, or something like acceleration/prediction that i felt a lot in LOL, playing CS:GO totally unnoticable, but while i played LOL, i could really feel it
post #15 of 38
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is there a big difference in that control speed? does it grants you something better over other mices? biggrin.gif

After i buy mouse, im gonna for sure also buy a Mousepad ZOWIE GT-F Speed, is it also a good mousepad for that mouse? biggrin.gif

Yeah that's a great pad.

PCS differences you're looking at is about 4 m/s max on 3090 mice vs. 5.3-5.4 m/s max on the 3310. I'd say if your sensitivity is any lower than 40-50cm/360 you should go with a 3090. I play on 70cm/360 on the gigantic PureTrak Talent for maximum accuracy, and I am riding up against the max PCS all the time on 3090 mice but now that I have an Avior that problem is no longer there.

I feel that the Avior is better overall than either the Rival or DA, but it is not cheap and also is mostly suited for fingertip or claw style.
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post #16 of 38
okay thanks for answering so quickly, I think best bet on mice you would like are the

zowie ec2 evo cl
Roccat kone pure optical


I find the miniox still way to expensive for what youre getting.

the pro's of the ec2 evo cl are the low LOD
but have the con's of weird dpi steps and a very bad coating/surface feel at least for me. (I have sweaty hands not dry)
And not a very good stable 1000hertz
Then they use huano's switches wich can be pro or con depending on what you like, I myself dont feel much difference between the usual omron's the huano's felt much stiffer on the zowie FK then on the evo cl.

Then the pro's of the rkpo are the rubber side gripes and very nice mousewheel (best in mice so far)
and a very good tracking feel of the mouse.
The microcontroller used makes it super stable at 1000 hertz and makes the tracking feel sublime.
con's against the zowie evo cl is the higher lod (not as high as the deathadder) and another con mentioning is that the sides grips will wear out eventually but not way as quickly as on the savu sidegrips.

Another pro for the ec2 evo cl for you is that it does exactly what you dislike about the deathadder shape the upper sides are gone and sloped down wich indeed feels nicer but makes it more suitable for a palm grip style.

What I like shapewise about the rkpo is the thumbinlay and the very good placement of the side buttons shapes feels very good for my style of fingertip grip.

So please take in consideration the zowie coating surface feel before buying and make sure you have no problem with the dpi steps.
if you really want lower LOD its the best bet, but if you like a better overal feel and better hardware for the money take in consideration the rkpo.

Hopes this comment helps out in making youre pick please let me know what you have bought and if you like it after some weeks of use.
Edited by CtrlAltel1te - 3/26/14 at 2:43pm
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okay thanks for answering so quickly, I think best bet on mice you would like are the

zowie ec2 evo cl
Roccat kone pure optical


I find the miniox still way to expensive for what youre getting.

the pro's of the ec2 evo cl are the low LOD
but have the con's of weird dpi steps and a very bad coating/surface feel at least for me. (I have sweaty hands not dry)
And not a very good stable 1000hertz
Then they use huano's switches wich can be pro or con depending on what you like, I myself dont feel much difference between the usual omron's the huano's felt much stiffer on the zowie FK then on the evo cl.

Then the pro's of the rkpo are the rubber side gripes and very nice mousewheel (best in mice so far)
and a very good tracking feel of the mouse.
The microcontroller used makes it super stable at 1000 hertz and makes the tracking feel sublime.
con's against the zowie evo cl is the higher lod (not as high as the deathadder) and another con mentioning is that the sides grips will wear out eventually but not way as quickly as on the savu sidegrips.

Another pro for the ec2 evo cl for you is that it does exactly what you dislike about the deathadder shape the upper sides are gone and sloped down wich indeed feels nicer but makes it more suitable for a palm grip style.

What I like shapewise about the rkpo is the thumbinlay and the very good placement of the side buttons shapes feels very good for my style of fingertip grip.

So please take in consideration the zowie coating surface feel before buying and make sure you have no problem with the dpi steps.
if you really want lower LOD its the best bet, but if you like a better overal feel and better hardware for the money take in consideration the rkpo.

Hopes this comment helps out in making youre pick please let me know what you have bought and if you like it after some weeks of use.

Well, but overall is it better to buy RKPO or ZOWIE EC1/2 instead of Steelseries Sensei?

i do really like shape of SS Sensei, really thats is great, only thing is, what about performance aboout sensei? i heard like max speed in Sensei is really high ( cause actually it is laser sensor)

i dont really know, what is going to be a better choice tongue.gif

and, the problem is, i really do have a huge hands, if talking about mouse dimensions, so i think EC2 may be a bit 2 small, since zowie fk, was really small, or maybe i didnt adapt to that shape :/
post #18 of 38
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Well, but overall is it better to buy RKPO or ZOWIE EC1/2 instead of Steelseries Sensei?

i do really like shape of SS Sensei, really thats is great, only thing is, what about performance aboout sensei? i heard like max speed in Sensei is really high ( cause actually it is laser sensor)

i dont really know, what is going to be a better choice tongue.gif

and, the problem is, i really do have a huge hands, if talking about mouse dimensions, so i think EC2 may be a bit 2 small, since zowie fk, was really small, or maybe i didnt adapt to that shape :/

The Sensei has AWFUL acceleration, which is even worse on cloth pads. Do not buy that thing, you have been warned. I tried it for a couple months thinking I could get used to it. No go. It maxes out around 4 m/s on Enotus, which is right in line with the 150 IPS spec on the ADNS-9500 that it is equipped with. It's such a shame because that mouse is as close to perfect as any...if they put the 3310 in there I might just have to sell my Avior even...

The EC1/2 and KPO are both really excellent mice, but I still think the Avior is better. However, it won't allow for a great palm grip since it's a bit small for that. I fingertip/claw and I played 10 hours of BF4 yesterday with no problem on it.
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The Sensei has AWFUL acceleration, which is even worse on cloth pads. Do not buy that thing, you have been warned. I tried it for a couple months thinking I could get used to it. No go. It maxes out around 4 m/s on Enotus, which is right in line with the 150 IPS spec on the ADNS-9500 that it is equipped with. It's such a shame because that mouse is as close to perfect as any...if they put the 3310 in there I might just have to sell my Avior even...

The EC1/2 and KPO are both really excellent mice, but I still think the Avior is better. However, it won't allow for a great palm grip since it's a bit small for that. I fingertip/claw and I played 10 hours of BF4 yesterday with no problem on it.

Ok thanks a lot:P

I cant buy Avior unfortunately, they dont sell it in my shop, that i can exchange my current mouse, also, there is no any SHOP in my country, that sells any of Avior products, but no problem. :E

the EC1 is pretty big, so i think it might be a good mouse to fingertip-palmgrip,

but if i look closely to RKPO i feel like this mouse aint really big tongue.gif

I hate the feel, like there are no any shops, where i can actually go and try some mouses, how do they feel, like serious gaming shop around my living place :/
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Ok thanks a lot:P

I cant buy Avior unfortunately, they dont sell it in my shop, that i can exchange my current mouse, also, there is no any SHOP in my country, that sells any of Avior products, but no problem. :E

the EC1 is pretty big, so i think it might be a good mouse to fingertip-palmgrip,

but if i look closely to RKPO i feel like this mouse aint really big tongue.gif

I hate the feel, like there are no any shops, where i can actually go and try some mouses, how do they feel, like serious gaming shop around my living place :/

Try to find a place where you can easily return. We don't have a great selection over here in the US at most places either, but Amazon has great returns so it is useful for testing mice.
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