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I'm using 70cm/360 and I sometimes hit over 3.5 m/s. 500 Hz is unacceptable when I can do 1000 Hz, so 3310 wins it for me. The OP will probably have no issue though, I'm way too picky about these things.
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post #32 of 38
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Originally Posted by CtrlAltel1te View Post

yes optical is easier to master but laser can be aswell and can even has its benifits in some gameplay above optical.
DA2013 has a very good maximum malfunction speed is does not have prediction or acceleration it does have "smoothing" but its better to say latency.
Because if I aint mistaking all dpi steps get calculated from 4000 native dpi. It does it quite well but it will have a tiny bit latency wich most people really dont notice at all because there setup have other bottlenecks already with latency in it.
So if you want to pick up a Deathadder better to have a look at the black edition or any 3,5g if you really really want to be sure but if you want the newer rubber sidegripes just go for the da2013.

Then the zowie's max speeds are lower because they have a lower LOD wich they get with a custom lens they use native dpi steps but end up being weird because of the lens they use.
So not 400, 1000, 1800 or but 450/1150/2300 because of the lower LOD and less light emmiting at the tracking surface its natural the max malfunction speeds are lower.
But I dont think the speeds will be any problem for you seeing I am a CS player with sensitivity 2.0 on 400 dpi and had no problem playing with the eVo at sens 1.55 450 dpi. So thats really low. Something like 52.2 cm to make a 360*.

I cant say really wich one is the better mouse, I think shapewise the zowie feels better for palm grip and DA for clawgrip I myself use a fingertip grip and find then smaller mice better.
So EC2 the smaller version is better for my medium sized hands.
Tracking wise zowie feels good but so does the da feel very good only zowie feels a bit more responsive but da feels more controlled its difficult to explain but rahter they way I feel it.
At 1000hertz the DA will be more stable then zowies and DA will be able to handle more surfaces better for example white mousepads or very coloured onces will be less of a problem tracking wise.

Max speeds are for the Zowie (gotten from ino's review)
http://www.overclock.net/t/1450266/short-zowie-ec1-evo-cl-review/0_100

400 dpi 1000hertz, 3,66 meters per second
1200dpi 1000hertz, 3,21 meters per second
2200dpi, 1000hertz. 3,90 meters per second

400 dpi, 500hertz, 4 meter per second
1200dpi 500 hertz, 4,42 meter per second
2200 500 hertz, 4 meter per second

So 500hertz will give you 4meters per second wich is absoluty no bottleneck or you must be using like 80 cm for turning 360 degrees in fps games.

But remember the coating dont know if all batches they produced got it but seen this picture some times on the internet.

i jsut wanted the comparison in max speeds between ZOWIE EC1 and DA 2013, cause for me da 2013 was really great, if there were not that smoothing effect.

only what i want to know, if it is a better choice, than my previous DA 2013.
post #33 of 38
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Originally Posted by CtrlAltel1te View Post

The graph does not show everything you have to take in consideration surface, internal hardware, and firmware software implementation.
Adns-9500 is very consistent !! if you have the right surface and dpi steps used in incredements of 90.

Then you mentioned pro teams switching to rival aint half true.

For example NIP used at "Road to katowice" 2 xai mice.(avago 9500)

Get_right as usual and f0rest aswell seeing before with rival but now heading back to xai because shape is > as sensor performance and should always be rated like this.
Shape has more impact on aiming then the little bit sensor difference of the avago 9500 compared to the avago 3310.

Even better example in there team is Xizt with his steelseries Ikari, still not moved on to rival as you mentioned.
Shape is the biggest factor there aswell !!!

so saying sensei is useless in $ FPS is bull**** seeing the shape is very good

So I say it again.

acceleration is a preference !!! not a con!!!
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shape/comfort < sensor performance

Get_right use Xai. F0rest use Kinzu. But yeah, you should use what you are comfortable with. I would love a Xai/Sensei with the 3310 sensor, the acceleration destroys the mouse for me right now.
post #34 of 38
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i jsut wanted the comparison in max speeds between ZOWIE EC1 and DA 2013, cause for me da 2013 was really great, if there were no that **** smoothing effect.

only what i want to know, if it is a better choice, than my previous DA 2013.

If you want a mouse without the smoothing effect but with the same maximum speed, you need a 3310 mouse, that's what you should be looking at.
Naos/Avior 7000 or Rival or M45.
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Get_right use Xai. F0rest use Kinzu. But yeah, you should use what you are comfortable with. I would love a Xai/Sensei with the 3310 sensor, the acceleration destroys the mouse for me right now.

EXACTLY my thoughts.
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post #35 of 38
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Get_right use Xai. F0rest use Kinzu. But yeah, you should use what you are comfortable with. I would love a Xai/Sensei with the 3310 sensor, the acceleration destroys the mouse for me right now.
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If you want a mouse without the smoothing effect but with the same maximum speed, you need a 3310 mouse, that's what you should be looking at.
Naos/Avior 7000 or Rival or M45.
EXACTLY my thoughts.
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Originally Posted by metal571 View Post

If you want a mouse without the smoothing effect but with the same maximum speed, you need a 3310 mouse, that's what you should be looking at.
Naos/Avior 7000 or Rival or M45.
EXACTLY my thoughts.
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If you want a mouse without the smoothing effect but with the same maximum speed, you need a 3310 mouse, that's what you should be looking at.
Naos/Avior 7000 or Rival or M45.
EXACTLY my thoughts.

i do have Rival right now, and i dont really like it.

Also considering Zowie FK vs Zowie EC1 eVo CL, does they have about the same Max Speed?
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i do have Rival right now, and i dont really like it.

Also considering Zowie FK vs Zowie EC1 eVo CL, does they have about the same Max Speed?

Not even close, noticeably lower.

The Rival is an unwieldy mouse, I'm not surprised.
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Not even close, noticeably lower.

The Rival is an unwieldy mouse, I'm not surprised.

who does have noticeable lower max speed? i saw some articles and at 500hz, as people were saying, the results were really close to both of them.

Rival is just strange, if steelseries would spend more time on it, and fix all issues, that makes everyone angry, mouse would be really good. Even macros doesnt work, and they are not willing to fix it at all..
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who does have noticeable lower max speed? i saw some articles and at 500hz, as people were saying, the results were really close to both of them.

Rival is just strange, if steelseries would spend more time on it, and fix all issues, that makes everyone angry, mouse would be really good. Even macros doesnt work, and they are not willing to fix it at all..

3090s have a lower max PCS. 4 m/s on the 3090 vs. 5.4 m/s on the 3310.

The Avior is the alternative with none of the build quality issues or software problems that the Rival has.
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