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Eh VR is just another fad like 3D(again), and it seems like Notch didn't really care for gutting Minecraft to force it to work anyway. Mainstream gamers will always prefer sitting down and NOT moving around, so until we get some Matrix plugins VR like Oculus Rift is just a tech demo. The only practical applications for it are social/military/scientific, so I can see why Facebook wants in on that.

I am surprised Notch did more than post a quick offhand rude/whiny tweet though.
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Titles will just have to run at 30 frames. Even then maybe with some upscaling. Which is why among other reasons (its still for just a console, and consoles suck smile.gif OR is still the best option.

I'm still extremely pissed and basically just very disappointed in ORs founder. But i still hold some hope for it. Hopefully it wont get screwed over in its greatness too badly.

And tbh some of the social media aspects of it could be intriguing.

The "7870 equivalent" GPU in PS4 has no problems rendering at 2x 1080p is that is your aim. That opinion is ofc based on PC experience. I have used the single overclocked 7870 for playing on 10 megapixels (5400x1920) and it can do this. Thats btw 5x 1080p screens. Sure you have to do some compromises in GFX settings and be careful with more memory intensive effects (bcos on PC the card has only 2 GB of vRAM) but on PS4 the memory should not be a problem, it has after-all 8 GB of GDDR5. I just cant understand why Sony exlicitly excluded running games in 4K resolution on PS4 as in my opinion the console should have enough oomph to do that in less graphically intensive titles. Sure, its limited by having only HDMI1.4a so would be able to do only 30 Hz at best on 4K but still ...
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Eh VR is just another fad like 3D(again), and it seems like Notch didn't really care for gutting Minecraft to force it to work anyway. Mainstream gamers will always prefer sitting down and NOT moving around, so until we get some Matrix plugins VR like Oculus Rift is just a tech demo. The only practical applications for it are social/military/scientific, so I can see why Facebook wants in on that.

I am surprised Notch did more than post a quick offhand rude/whiny tweet though.
I sure hope youve actually used an OR before making a statement like that. I personally havnt, but all the user reviews ive seen people say how you have to experience it to understand it. How you feel like youve entered the game world. Which is something called presence thats been talked about a lot.

I can sure get some good immersion playing stalker on just a regular tv in a dark room with my good headphones. If i can get immersion with just that, add an OR and thatll really kick up the suspense.
    
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The "7870 equivalent" GPU in PS4 has no problems rendering at 2x 1080p is that is your aim. That opinion is ofc based on PC experience. I have used the single overclocked 7870 for playing on 10 megapixels (5400x1920) and it can do this. Thats btw 5x 1080p screens. Sure you have to do some compromises in GFX settings and be careful with more memory intensive effects (bcos on PC the card has only 2 GB of vRAM) but on PS4 the memory should not be a problem, it has after-all 8 GB of GDDR5. I just cant understand why Sony exlicitly excluded running games in 4K resolution on PS4 as in my opinion the console should have enough oomph to do that in less graphically intensive titles. Sure, its limited by having only HDMI1.4a so would be able to do only 30 Hz at best on 4K but still ...
Leaving the "what a console can do with low level with 7870 type performance" out of the equation. No a 7870 isnt even close to sufficient to play even moderately new games at 1080 nevermind what you said 5400x1920, not a chance. In order to run 1080p VR you need it to run at 60 frames for it to feel like 30 (30 each eye) and 120 frames to feel like 60. Find me a benchmark where a 7870 can run crysis 3 at 60 frames at 1080. You cant. Even my 7970 cant come close to that. Need at least like a 780TI. Also wer're talking min frames, not average.
    
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Titles will just have to run at 30 frames. Even then maybe with some upscaling. Which is why among other reasons (its still for just a console, and consoles suck smile.gif OR is still the best option.

I'm still extremely pissed and basically just very disappointed in ORs founder. But i still hold some hope for it. Hopefully it wont get screwed over in its greatness too badly.

And tbh some of the social media aspects of it could be intriguing.

It's already at 1080p 30fps (not all games ofc, but most).

But yeah, I agree with you. I still have some hopes for it. I'm think the OR founders knew what they were doing when they agreed to be bought.. At least I hope..
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Leaving the "what a console can do with low level with 7870 type performance" out of the equation. No a 7870 isnt even close to sufficient to play even moderately new games at 1080 nevermind what you said 5400x1920, not a chance. In order to run 1080p VR you need it to run at 60 frames for it to feel like 30 (30 each eye) and 120 frames to feel like 60. Find me a benchmark where a 7870 can run crysis 3 at 60 frames at 1080. You cant. Even my 7970 cant come close to that. Need at least like a 780TI. Also wer're talking min frames, not average.

I was obviously not talking about Crysis 3. With VR you do not need as high level of detail anyway as bcos your head is always moving the finest detail would be lost in motion blur. However, something like Metro 2033 can limp along at 30 fps min on a single 7870 on low settings at 5400x1920 in my experience as it did for me. So getting minimum 30 fps per eye with 2x1080p on it on 7870 seems quite feasible. Also, for example, Source engine which I probably mentioned somewhere earlier in this thread including number of screenshots can do pretty decent. Sure it's a decade old engine, but it aint all that shady looking even today. Unreal 3 engine is not particularly demanding either and can offer quite playable frame-rates on 7870 even on high resolutions (Unreal Tournament 3, Tribes:Ascend and long list of other games using it).

So sure. You will not do 30 fps per eye in whatever game is atm considered the most demanding with "true ultra" settings. However, if your aim is the get 60 fps per eye on 1080p you can do so in any modern game engine by picking your settings in careful way to guarantee that.
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I was obviously not talking about Crysis 3. With VR you do not need as high level of detail anyway as bcos your head is always moving the finest detail would be lost in motion blur. However, something like Metro 2033 can limp along at 30 fps min on a single 7870 on low settings at 5400x1920 in my experience as it did for me. So getting minimum 30 fps per eye with 2x1080p on it on 7870 seems quite feasible. Also, for example, Source engine which I probably mentioned somewhere earlier in this thread including number of screenshots can do pretty decent. Sure it's a decade old engine, but it aint all that shady looking even today. Unreal 3 engine is not particularly demanding either and can offer quite playable frame-rates on 7870 even on high resolutions (Unreal Tournament 3, Tribes:Ascend and long list of other games using it).

So sure. You will not do 30 fps per eye in whatever game is atm considered the most demanding with "true ultra" settings. However, if your aim is the get 60 fps per eye on 1080p you can do so in any modern game engine by picking your settings in careful way to guarantee that.
Then whats the point. This is overclock.net, we dont play games on low settings. And we want the latest and greatest. Whats the point of the latest and greatest hardware if its just to be used on UT3 lol. Its to be used on the latest and greatest (eg Star Citizen WOOH!biggrin.gif) When i get star citizen nothing but top notch graphical settings (cept for AA, just reasonable there) will do.

If you want low settings go to consoles.

Also if you saw the video john carmack mentions how the change in the second devkit with screen turning off and on (whatever he called it) basically removes any motion blur making the point you made about that moot.
    
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I have to agree. I dont believe Star Citizen will run smoothly on a 7870 @ 1080p 85-120hz low persistence. That game looks gorgeous and graphically demanding!!!

Well Star Citizen is at least one positive aspect of the OR still even though all this Facebook drama.
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Then whats the point. This is overclock.net, we dont play games on low settings. And we want the latest and greatest. Whats the point of the latest and greatest hardware if its just to be used on UT3 lol. Its to be used on the latest and greatest (eg Star Citizen WOOH!biggrin.gif) When i get star citizen nothing but top notch graphical settings (cept for AA, just reasonable there) will do.

If you want low settings go to consoles.

Also if you saw the video john carmack mentions how the change in the second devkit with screen turning off and on (whatever he called it) basically removes any motion blur making the point you made about that moot.

Whats the point. This is overclock.net. We do not play games on 1080p. We want at least 3 screen eyefinity and real men run at least 5 screens. If you want to play on single screen go play on consoles!

See what I did there? wink.gif

Anyway on a more serious note. I like my games on 3+ screens more than I like them at 1080p on "ultra". I will not stop using more than 3 screen just because I cant run max AA on them. And I find the games I play enjoyable - that is why I play them smile.gif Even if it happesn to be Portal 2, for example. I will not stop playing it just because it's engine is a bit older than whatever happens to be on the hypetrain atm.
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Whats the point. This is overclock.net. We do not play games on 1080p. We want at least 3 screen eyefinity and real men run at least 5 screens. If you want to play on single screen go play on consoles!

See what I did there? wink.gif

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Nope, dont see what you did there. I much prefer gaming on my huge 60" TV then i do on eyefinity with a bunch of annoying bezels in the way. Cause trust me that was an option and i ruled it out. I could have gotten eyefinity for less then the price of this screen had i wanted. And most def id prefer 1 large tv and max graphics to a bunch of bezeld screens on horrible low quality.

And anyway thats irrelevant when we're talking about the rift lol. Your attempt to say i was talking about nothing but ego is wrong. I'm talking about the fun of gaming and the fun of doing it at the bleeding edge.
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