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I have to agree. I dont believe Star Citizen will run smoothly on a 7870 @ 1080p 85-120hz low persistence. That game looks gorgeous and graphically demanding!!!

Well Star Citizen is at least one positive aspect of the OR still even though all this Facebook drama.
Indeed, not remotely close heh. In the hangar my 7970 at 1250mhz (30% more perf than stock) gets like 40 frames at 1080.

I'll probably go maxwell for star citizen. Hoping that pans out for some insane perf increases.
    
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Nope, dont see what you did there. I much prefer gaming on my huge 60" TV then i do on eyefinity with a bunch of annoying bezels in the way. Cause trust me that was an option and i ruled it out. I could have gotten eyefinity for less then the price of this screen had i wanted. And most def id prefer 1 large tv and max graphics to a bunch of bezeld screens on horrible low quality.

And anyway thats irrelevant when we're talking about the rift lol. Your attempt to say i was talking about nothing but ego is wrong. I'm talking about the fun of gaming and the fun of doing it at the bleeding edge.

Ahh but here we are getting to the point. For you the fun is on a 60'' screen with max settings. For me it's at as high resolution as I can get within my budget with whatever settings that get me good enough frame rate. For some third person it might be on a VR headset with whatever settings his hardware can pull off at that headset and resolutions at good enough frame rate.

As far bleeding edge goes it is a bit odd to claim, in my opinion, that gaming on 10 megapixels is somehow less bleeding edge than gaming on 1080p with a bit higher settings. At the end of the day if you have the same GFX card you are spending about the same amount of GFlops per second to show you the game the way to decide is the best for you. For me it's better to be on my 80'' 5400x1920 screen array or 20'' 4608x2048 screen array @ 60 Hz than on a 60'' 1920x1080 TV screen but for you the latter is obviously preferred option.
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Ahh but here we are getting to the point. For you the fun is on a 60'' screen with max settings. For me it's at as high resolution as I can get within my budget with whatever settings that get me good enough frame rate. For some third person it might be on a VR headset with whatever settings his hardware can pull off at that headset and resolutions at good enough frame rate.

As far bleeding edge goes it is a bit odd to claim, in my opinion, that gaming on 10 megapixels is somehow less bleeding edge than gaming on 1080p with a bit higher settings. At the end of the day if you have the same GFX card you are spending about the same amount of GFlops per second to show you the game the way to decide is the best for you. For me it's better to be on my 80'' 5400x1920 screen array or 20'' 4608x2048 screen array @ 60 Hz than on a 60'' 1920x1080 TV screen but for you the latter is obviously preferred option.
Playing old games on low settings on a 7870 is less bleeding edge than playing 1 screen maxed out.

Anyway as i said this is getting wildly off topic. This convo about yours vs mine is pointless. We are talking about OR. And OR is 1 screen. And bleeding edge for that is 1 OR maxed out in top end games. And that is what i am talking about by bleeding edge. New technology using outdated software is pointless.
    
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Playing old games on low settings on a 7870 is less bleeding edge than playing 1 screen maxed out.

Anyway as i said this is getting wildly off topic. This convo about yours vs mine is pointless. We are talking about OR. And OR is 1 screen. And bleeding edge for that is 1 OR maxed out in top end games. And that is what i am talking about by bleeding edge. New technology using outdated software is pointless.

Playing new games on resolution that was mainstream already a decade ago is less bleeding edge than playing on a resolution that is still 25% higher than 4K which is pretty new thing.

It is indeed getting a bit odd but I just cant wrap my head around why you have to insist that playing on a single 1080p screen with a single GFX card is somehow bleeding edge. Bulk of the members here on OCN do that. You are just focusing on your definition of "bleeding edge" and are trying to spoonfed YOUR definition of it to me. I'm not particularly concerned about being on the bleeding edge or not but putting bleeding edge at a single 1080p screen seems a bit odd. I would put that line somewhere higher so that it would be at least somewhat uncommon, say, playing on a 4K screen with quad GFX cards, for example.

The argument started from me stating that a single 7870 can achieve good enough frame-rate for VR experience at 1080p. One of the Cormacks comments about that new Sony headset were something on these lines as well, that he believes that PS4 has enough power to pull it off. I just noted that it goes well with my experience running 7870 on PC and that I believe it can do that indeed. And then you go all bleeding edge on me claiming that I do not know what I'm talking about and if it cant run Crysis 3 at max settings it's not worth having. I was specifically mentioning that it would need to do some compromises to achieve a good VR experience. And then you specifically keep completely ignoring my point that people play games to have fun and enjoy the experience and that this is subjective and up to personal preference and keep preaching how anyone doing it in any other way than you is doing it "wrong".
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Playing old games on low settings on a 7870 is less bleeding edge than playing 1 screen maxed out.

Anyway as i said this is getting wildly off topic. This convo about yours vs mine is pointless. We are talking about OR. And OR is 1 screen. And bleeding edge for that is 1 OR maxed out in top end games. And that is what i am talking about by bleeding edge. New technology using outdated software is pointless.

You talk about bleeding edge with high resolution, you use a 60" tv. If that tv was 4k it would have less pixel density than my simple 1080 screen that is 27". I am sorry if I am mistaken but wouldn't the 1080 image look better than the 4k image because of how dense the pixels are. If this is true then why bash on a 1080p screen that is most likely going to have a 6 inch screen which will have great pixel density?
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You talk about bleeding edge with high resolution, you use a 60" tv. If that tv was 4k it would have less pixel density than my simple 1080 screen that is 27". I am sorry if I am mistaken but wouldn't the 1080 image look better than the 4k image because of how dense the pixels are. If this is true then why bash on a 1080p screen that is most likely going to have a 6 inch screen which will have great pixel density?

Because if that screen is projected as visually 3 meter diagonal image (for example) the pixel density does not look at that great anymore. With a setup like Occulus you can, in theory, benefit from very high pixel density screen as even 4K per eye would fall short of what human vision system is capable of achieving (depending on how large arc the screen covers vertically and horizontally ofc, if its narrow enough you can "max out" eye as far as some characterstics go). Then again I have not experienced VR myself, people say that 720p was entry level decent enough to have some wow factor but that 1080p was already pretty awesome (according to these who used the prototype in trade shows). But that is really one place where you can see the difference between resolutions because of the optics in there. It's like getting really close to your ipad retina and using magnifying glass on it and all the sudden it's no longer a problem seeing the pixels even though it's 265 ppi screen.
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Playing new games on resolution that was mainstream already a decade ago is less bleeding edge than playing on a resolution that is still 25% higher than 4K which is pretty new thing.

It is indeed getting a bit odd but I just cant wrap my head around why you have to insist that playing on a single 1080p screen with a single GFX card is somehow bleeding edge. Bulk of the members here on OCN do that. You are just focusing on your definition of "bleeding edge" and are trying to spoonfed YOUR definition of it to me. I'm not particularly concerned about being on the bleeding edge or not but putting bleeding edge at a single 1080p screen seems a bit odd. I would put that line somewhere higher so that it would be at least somewhat uncommon, say, playing on a 4K screen with quad GFX cards, for example.

The argument started from me stating that a single 7870 can achieve good enough frame-rate for VR experience at 1080p. One of the Cormacks comments about that new Sony headset were something on these lines as well, that he believes that PS4 has enough power to pull it off. I just noted that it goes well with my experience running 7870 on PC and that I believe it can do that indeed. And then you go all bleeding edge on me claiming that I do not know what I'm talking about and if it cant run Crysis 3 at max settings it's not worth having. I was specifically mentioning that it would need to do some compromises to achieve a good VR experience. And then you specifically keep completely ignoring my point that people play games to have fun and enjoy the experience and that this is subjective and up to personal preference and keep preaching how anyone doing it in any other way than you is doing it "wrong".

Ok fine, dont call it bleeding edge, call it higher end. I only meant the picture quality of 1 screen maxed out is better than 5 screens at low settings. But this is irrelevant now. I really have no desire to keep talking about my screen vs yours as this is NOT the point of what i was talking about at all.

When i said bleeding edge i only meant it in that the OR is bleeding edge tech and that its pointless to pair it with anything but equally bleeding edge software. The way some people can cherry pick words out of context. I never meant anything about a single screen being bleeding edge. So lets just drop that ok?

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You talk about bleeding edge with high resolution, you use a 60" tv. If that tv was 4k it would have less pixel density than my simple 1080 screen that is 27". I am sorry if I am mistaken but wouldn't the 1080 image look better than the 4k image because of how dense the pixels are. If this is true then why bash on a 1080p screen that is most likely going to have a 6 inch screen which will have great pixel density?

What? I never bashed anything about a single 1080 screen.

But now that you mention it, while a 1080 screen is a nice upgrade to the first dev kit it still isnt enough. Plenty of people mention how they can still see the pixels. If it were possible a 4k screen really would be ideal.

A 1080 5" screen is actually indeed of low resolution because it sits inches in front of your face. The pixel density may be high but at the distance you view it the perceived density is lower, quite a bit lower, than even my 60" 1080 screen at 7 feet where im sitting from it.

Check on this site. http://isthisretina.com/ 1080 5" screen is retina at 8". How far is the rift screen from your face? Im not positive but ill warrant a guess at 3 inches, only 37% of retina. Crank that to 4k and retina drops to 4", much closer at 75%. While my 1080 60" needs 94" or just under 8 feet for retina which is not far off where i sit. Id have to sit less than 3 feet from my screen to see the same image quality as the rift at 1080. Cant imagine sitting 3 feet from a 60" screen lol.

All that assuming the rifts screen is 3" from the face. Gets worse if its even closer.
    
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Even though I was on a Tahiti LE 7870; at 1080p, it could handle it's stuff. BF4 ran well on high settings; everything else ran at least on high; which to be honest is about what you get on consoles anyways, right?

I would also like to point out that 1250 MHz on a GPU doesn't mean 130% (or whatever number was used) performance over the normal performance. It means your clock speed is 130% the normal clock speed. You would have to benhcmark stock vs. overclock speeds to truly measure difference in performance. Thought I'd settle that little dispute.
 
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I would also like to point out that 1250 MHz on a GPU doesn't mean 130% (or whatever number was used) performance over the normal performance. It means your clock speed is 130% the normal clock speed. You would have to benhcmark stock vs. overclock speeds to truly measure difference in performance. Thought I'd settle that little dispute.

True but its not far off. And actually is 135%. But that gives me 20-25% more perf in games in my experience. I just used the term quickly without getting specific.
    
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