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post #21 of 45
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Hi All

He is looking into expanding the budget a bit, by like an extra 150 - 200 ish. What would you guys change with the extra coin?
post #22 of 45
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Hi All

He is looking into expanding the budget a bit, by like an extra 150 - 200 ish. What would you guys change with the extra coin?

how much do you have?

i suggest since you are already running a 2500k, buy new graphics card. your sandy bridge system is still really good!
or if you are playing mainly cpu bound games, then get a better cooling solution and overclock the crap out of your i5 thumb.gif
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post #23 of 45
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Its not for me, its for a new build for a mate.

$600 was the original budget, but he said he could do a bit more, so maybe $750 - $800

M125 recommended these two builds for $600:

http://www.overclock.net/t/1476847/budget-gaming-pc/10#post_22016825
http://www.overclock.net/t/1476847/budget-gaming-pc/10#post_22017202

But obviously with a bit more coin could go higher. I'm leaning towards getting a better CPU as the CPU in both builds seems to be low ish end.
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Its not for me, its for a new build for a mate.

$600 was the original budget, but he said he could do a bit more, so maybe $750 - $800

M125 recommended these two builds for $600:

http://www.overclock.net/t/1476847/budget-gaming-pc/10#post_22016825
http://www.overclock.net/t/1476847/budget-gaming-pc/10#post_22017202

But obviously with a bit more coin could go higher. I'm leaning towards getting a better CPU as the CPU in both builds seems to be low ish end.

Heres what i have so far, total is currently $600 with an operating system.
leaving $200 on a case and gpu
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3ksUV

you could go cheaper by getting a lower wattage psu (i have a 750w to handle any future upgrades, but the capstone 650 is a good alternative) or by using the fx 6300




for the chassis i suggest going to youtube and looking up hardwarecanuks and watching their reviews!!
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post #25 of 45
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Heres what i have so far, total is currently $600 with an operating system.
leaving $200 on a case and gpu
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3ksUV

you could go cheaper by getting a lower wattage psu (i have a 750w to handle any future upgrades, but the capstone 650 is a good alternative) or by using the fx 6300




for the chassis i suggest going to youtube and looking up hardwarecanuks and watching their reviews!!

I also did not put a cpu cooler, if you plan on overclocking, you have to find an decent cooler.

For mild overclocks I suggest the cooler master 212 evo, something that is cheap, and better than stock, it's around $30
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post #26 of 45
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Yeah unfortunately I'm in NZ.

The best site here is www.pricespy.co.nz

Wouldnt be able to get anything close to that here in NZ
post #27 of 45
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Clock for clock, the FX-4130 is slower than the old system you built around the Phenom II 955. The fact the Zambezi/Vishera CPUs share floating point units between cores means almost nothing in gaming, but the fact that AMD increased pipeline depth in search of raw clock speed means almost everything. AMD did not get the clock speeds they were looking for out of Bulldozer, but were a bit better off with Piledriver because they upped performance/watt/clock with what is effectively a new stepping and their "clock mesh" technology. Then there is Bulldozer's tiny L1 cache and slow L2 cache that Piledriver improved upon by reducing latency across the board.

What exactly are the FPU's used for then? cos i thought they were needed for games
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post #28 of 45
http://nz.pcpartpicker.com/p/3kxmA
Came out to $947 on the NZ pcpartspicker site....

thats without an OS, and case, and without an aftermarket cpu cooler.... frown.gif


Man NZ prices are pretty high...

have you look at AUS prices to see if it is easier to buy stuff from there?
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post #29 of 45
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What exactly are the FPU's used for then? cos i thought they were needed for games

They most definitely are used quite heavily in games. What I was referring to specifically is AMD's re-arrangement of the FPU with Bulldozer and Piledriver to support AVX, and how game performance is, typically, not affected.

Each "module" has two 128-bit FMAC (Fused Multiply–Add Capability) floating-point units that can be addressed individually, and can be combined to make a 256-bit FPU to service AVX instructions. Games call single or double precision floating point (32/64 bit, 4-issue/2-issue, respectively) operations routinely, and a some games call a full-width 128-bit "quad-precision" operations occasionally. AVX/AVX2 is still in its infancy and most game developers are finding little use for it, even with the ability to issue 8 single precision calculations in parallel. Well, AVX2 has FMA, but that is besides the point.

So, in their price brackets, AMD CPUs are still very competitive on the FPU front.
FX-8350 - 8 128-bit FPUs combine to 4 256-bit AVX-capable FPUs
i7-4770K - 4 256-bit AVX-capable FPUs
FX-6300 - 6 128-bit FPUs combine to 3 256-bit AVX-capable FPUs
i3-4130 - 2 256-bit AVX-capable FPUs
FX-4300 - 4 128-bit FPUs combine to 2 256-bit AVX-capable FPUs

Per integer core the FX line's FPU throughput IS weaker than an Intel core, but it is no weaker than older CPUs that did not support AVX:
Phenom II 1100T - 6 128-bit FPUs
i7-920 - 4 128-bit FPUs

To prepare Bulldozer for AVX instructions, AMD either needed to increase the per-core die size with a 256-bit AVX FPU on each core like Intel, or rework the FPU/core arrangement so that two traditionally sized 128-bit FPUs can be combined on the fly to make a 256-bit AVX-capable FPU. AMD made an educated move to favor integer throughput at the expense of floating point throughput to limit the impact AVX would have on increasing die sizes, and therefore cost. This was probably the most wholly-successful design change AMD made from K10.
Edited by M125 - 4/2/14 at 11:32am
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post #30 of 45
Very well said M125,

Only thing I would add is that, each module in PD only has 1 scheduler for FP calculations that is "shared" across the 2 128bit FPUs, and unlike the CMT scaling on the instruction side, whose scheduler offers pretty decent scaling (+80%), on the FPU side the schedulers appear to be a more significant bottleneck under traditional 32-128bit FP workloads. At least for me I only see around +60% scaling going from 1 to 2 threads per module. YMMV.
     
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