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Can a PCI x1 work in a PCI x16?

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Months ago it came up in conversation with a friend of mine who told me yes, it does actually work. But then again, as much as I like him as a friend, he's not a tech. As it happens I just figured out it would really help me out if I can actually do that. So can I do it? PLEASE tell me I can! lol

This is the motherboard:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131980

This is the device in question:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816124065

Before anyone says "Crazy man! You have two PCI x1 sockets!", they're being blocked by a CPU cooler and a video card.
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Yep it works, although it looks kind of funky depending on the card.

Using a 1x NIC in a 16x slot to post this.
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If it fits, it works.
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Neat! Should I use 2.0 or 3.0 for that SATA III eSATA card? Those are the two x16 slots I have free.
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Neat! Should I use 2.0 or 3.0 for that SATA III eSATA card? Those are the two x16 slots I have free.
Either one should work. Keep in mind that the card has received somewhat less than stellar reviews, along with Syba's support. The fastest one port on that card will be able to run is 5Gb/s (the limitation being due to the Marvel chip). PCI-e x1 supports only 6 Gb/s total bandwidth so, because of that limitation, the four ports share that same 6 Gb/s. If you have all ports running at the same time, each port will run at only 1/4 of the 5.0Gb/s that the Marvel chip can supply.

The card description, both on NewEgg and on Syba's site, say nothing about RAID support so, if you were expecting to run Raid 0 or 1 off this card, you may be disappointed. Also, keep in mind that your boot time will be increased because the card will need to load its own BIOS.
     
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I would use the bottom pci-e slot. Using the second 16x slot will probably kick your main 16x slot down to a 8x slot.

Should be the pci-e 2.0 16x slot. That slot runs through your south bridge and really isn't even 16x but more around 2x or something but just in a full size slot.
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I would use the bottom pci-e slot. Using the second 16x slot will probably kick your main 16x slot down to a 8x slot.

Should be the pci-e 2.0 16x slot. That slot runs through your south bridge and really isn't even 16x but more around 2x or something but just in a full size slot.

Good point; I didn't bother to look at the board itself. Yes, if the black PCI-e 3.0 x16 slot is used, the top gold PCI-e 3.0 x16 slot and the black one will both run at x8. According to NewEgg, the bottom slot is PCI-e 2.0 x16 but, according to Asus' website, it does run at only x2 (odd that since I've never seen any slots that ran at x2 before nor cards that ran on x2, only x1, x4, x8, and x16). The Syba card should run ok there (assuming the card itself doesn't have issues).
     
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Either one should work. Keep in mind that the card has received somewhat less than stellar reviews, along with Syba's support. The fastest one port on that card will be able to run is 5Gb/s (the limitation being due to the Marvel chip). PCI-e x1 supports only 6 Gb/s total bandwidth so, because of that limitation, the four ports share that same 6 Gb/s. If you have all ports running at the same time, each port will run at only 1/4 of the 5.0Gb/s that the Marvel chip can supply.

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Can you recommend a better card for the money? I'm not looking to spend a LOT on this. Its not for server use or anything important like a business, but I do want it to work right. I see they range from around under $30 to over $100. I'd like to keep it under $50... if I can. Any suggestions?

I'm only using the top PCI x16 slot, so no worries. Does that mean I should use the second from the bottom?


This is for a new external back up drive I'm going to TRY to put together, if I can find an enclosure offering 6.0Gbps eSATA III and SATA III, that will actually keep my WD 1TB 7200 Black cool enough for hours of use. I plan to assemble two separate ones. I just spent several days researching and cramming, learning about USB 3.0 and SATA I, II, III, compatibility, etc, and my brain feels like jello. I had a thread about it but I had it locked cause it went to shambles and no longer reflected the title. If anyone can help me with this, please PM me. I'd appreciate any help. But please don't respond in here. (Sorry, but I want to keep this thread on topic) I plan to create another thread on this topic but I'm not even sure I understand if what I'm looking for even exists... or what my options are. I don't even know if its possible to find an enclosure like this. frown.gif
Edited by Drahadis - 3/26/14 at 1:39pm
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Can you recommend a better card for the money? I'm not looking to spend a LOT on this. Its not for server use or anything important like a business, but I do want it to work right. I see they range from around under $30 to over $100. I'd like to keep it under $50... if I can. Any suggestions?

I'm only using the top PCI x16 slot, so no worries. Does that mean I should use the second from the bottom?


This is for a new external back up drive I'm going to TRY to put together, if I can find an enclosure offering 6.0Gbps eSATA III and SATA III, that will actually keep my WD 1TB 7200 Black cool enough for hours of use. I plan to assemble two separate ones. I just spent several days researching and cramming, learning about USB 3.0 and SATA I, II, III, compatibility, etc, and my brain feels like jello. I had a thread about it but I had it locked cause it went to shambles and no longer reflected the title. If anyone can help me with this, please PM me. I'd appreciate any help. But please don't respond in here. (Sorry, but I want to keep this thread on topic) I plan to create another thread on this topic but I'm not even sure I understand if what I'm looking for even exists... or what my options are. I don't even know if its possible to find an enclosure like this. frown.gif

I don't know if you have extra sata slots on your mobo, but you do not need sata III for a HDD. The only thing Sata III will be good for is SSD's.


Also, the second you stick a card into your second PCI-E 3.0 16x slot, your first slot will be cut in half from a 16x slot to a 8x slot. As Those two slots are connected directly to the CPU and lanes needs to be split in order to have the second slot active. Now the third 16x slot (PCI-E 2.0) is ran through the south bridge @ 2x speeds. What is plenty as the sata cards you are looking at are all 1x cards.
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Ahh, I get it. Thanks smile.gif I'll use the other one then. Sorry, I missed the other reply about that. I was tired. lol

If anyone has a good suggestion for a better card, I'd really like to know! I don't know which chips are good and which ones aren't, I could really use some help with that!

I've read in other places, including in here, that in real world applications SATA / eSATA III mechanical drives do actually offer noticeable improvement in speed, or "snappy" as someone put it here in another thread. I like snappy. biggrin.gif Also this is a NEW computer that I want ready for upcoming hardware and upgrades over the next four or so years, and this part may carry over to the next computer I build after that. So I think a card giving me eSATA III external connections is the best way to go. biggrin.gif

So any suggestions for a good eSATA III 6.0 Gbps PCI card? What do I need to spend to get one that works right and is decently made? I'm not looking for something extreme for servers or business applications, just home use.
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