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Beating Kepler in Cycles and GPGPU isn't going to be hard. In fact, Kepler saw a pretty big regression in performance compared to fermi in GPGPU. It isn't always a regression, but if I remember correctly, it's a massive regression in things that use dual precision, like LuxRender:

Agree with that, but I just want to point out that neither Luxrender or any other path/light tracing software is using double precision as it wouldn't make any sense. It's a Monte Carlo based simulation where the important is doing a lot of calculations, not the their precision.
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Nvidia might do just fine with getting claiming a 50% increase, but it'd still be the same speed as GTX 580 in some situations, even if Nvidia's statement is 100% true.

Nvidia claimed nothing. I did the math there and may be wrong but I'm pretty confident about it. In fact I was aiming pretty low. The GTX 670 (Which isn't a full GK104) at 294mm^2 is 183% faster (2.8x) than the GTX 650 at 118mm^2 (GK107, segment that the GM107 is replacing) and the GTX 750 Ti is x2.4 the performance of a GTX 650 with just a 25% larger die.

If the GM104 jump in performance per square mm is similar to the Kepler one going from the 107 to the 104 chip you may see a huge gain if it is a ~300mm^2 again. Enough to beat the crap out of the GTX 580 and get close enough to the GTX 780 Ti which is 2.5x the performance of a GTX 750 Ti.

Remember that I'm always talking about Cycles performance, nothing else.
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From when a 290x cant beat a 780? Most of the times a 290x is behind a 780ti

and sometimes in front biggrin.gif

both good cards and it all depends who made what with what that divides the horse power and heat thumb.gif
post #53 of 110
It is a good point that a smaller chip is another market to fill but they could really go with at least something between the current size and gk110.

It is obvious nvidia hit the bullseye in market needs.

If they had something like 10-15% up performance they could confidently say it's big as nvidia, not see them desparately trying to find benchmarks that fit them like bitcoin mining and favorable sites or cherry picking cards for reviewers.

Nvidia doesn't need sites to tell you gk110 is better. Their users of it here see it.
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Hawaii at ~550mm² would have shocking physics even at something like 500-600 MHz processor clocks. Something like 375-400W TDP wouldn't be that far off.

 

Performance/mm² means nothing if you clock you processor to the moon (aka GTX 680/770). Technically my 2600K has much better performance/mm² than a stock 3970X just for being clocked at 5GHz. Though in reality it is the same architecture.

 

Leakage is for the most part not a good thing. A large part of semiconductor fabs' R&D is to optimize the driving power of their transistors at the lowest possible potential and still making it yield sufficiently. Leaky transistors may overclock high with exotic cooling, but in a world where power and temperatures are a constraint you only end up crippling the chip before it can even reach the point where the high ohmic variant prevails.

 

If leakage was a good thing, Pentium 4 (the Netfail kind), Bulldozer and Fermi would have been the best microprocessors ever.

 

Also, the overclocking potential of Hawaii isn't that great despite being leaky.


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https://twitter.com/amd_roy/status/448215596845375488 -> Roy from AMD. I bet everyone knows him.
https://twitter.com/tonroosendaal/status/448519139431571457 -> Ton Roosendaal. Chairman Blender Foundation, producer Blender Institute, developer.

https://twitter.com/amd_roy/status/449421480057520128
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@billantonilee @barkerd25017 @OpenCL @AMDRadeon you are going to need FirePro but it will be worth it. Details very shortly.

Oh AMD, you did it again. No wonder why they're the underdog in every single field with this mismanagement.

CUDA is the king of the hill because you can run it with every single Nvidia GPU. If AMD is locking the Radeon cards out of OpenCL it won't become mainstream let alone beat CUDA.

Unless they're crazy confident about their driver and performance this is a seriously massive mistake.
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Aside from the fact that the CUDA render plugins are by far superior (still not at CPU level though).

I don't think he meant it like that btw. Just that according to him FirePro will outperform Radeon cards, which sounds like marketing spin to me tbh. I think a Radeon will do as well as or better than a FirePro in Lux. Though maybe he actually speaks the truth.
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Aside from the fact that the CUDA render plugins are by far superior (still not at CPU level though).

I don't think he meant it like that btw. Just that according to him FirePro will outperform Radeon cards, which sounds like marketing spin to me tbh. I think a Radeon will do as well as or better than a FirePro in Lux. Though maybe he actually speaks the truth.

If you check the next two tweets you can see that the initial stance is leaving the Radeon cards out of this performance update.
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I don't see anything concrete. Can you quote what you mean?
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I don't see anything concrete. Can you quote what you mean?
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@amd_roy @barkerd25017 @OpenCL @AMDRadeon Will this change? The main plus of GPU path tracing is access to big compute power at a low cost.
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@billantonilee @barkerd25017 @OpenCL @AMDRadeon we are examining options today (literally).
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