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It seems that even without the DP fully enabled on the 780 Ti and the 290X they both do very good already. Except for some benches like the Siemens NX and the solid works benchmark.

Yep, apparently CAD devs are working hard to "undo" the crippling work nVidia and to a lesser extend AMD try to do through drivers.

Specviewperf 12 is giving encouraging results with GTX cards, something that 3DS Max and Maya users was already experiencing since versions 2013.
Roll back to Specviewperf 11, or simply use Maya 2012 and backwards, to feel the pain (e.g. Quadro 600 humiliating a GK110 card).
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Yep, apparently CAD devs are working hard to "undo" the crippling work nVidia and to a lesser extend AMD try to do through drivers.

Specviewperf 12 is giving encouraging results with GTX cards, something that 3DS Max and Maya users was already experiencing since versions 2013.
Roll back to Specviewperf 11, or simply use Maya 2012 and backwards, to feel the pain (e.g. Quadro 600 humiliating a GK110 card).

Or it's because some programs like Maya and Showcase aren't as reliant on double-precision floats as CAD, not for viewport rendering. They're not engineering tools after all, they're for art/content creation or presentational tools respectively. You'll notice that in pretty much every CAD package the professional solutions win every time.
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Or it's because some programs like Maya and Showcase aren't as reliant on double-precision floats as CAD, not for viewport rendering. They're not engineering tools after all, they're for art/content creation or presentational tools respectively. You'll notice that in pretty much every CAD package the professional solutions win every time.

It is not just the 3DS/Maya engines that have been reworked.
3DS and Showcase were D3D anyways, but the Specviewperf 12 tests are in OpenGL for both Maya 2013 and Solidworks 2013.



vs.




Solidworks 2013 is much much faster than it was with previews versions using GTX/Radeons.

Catia performance with consumer GPUs improved too.
It is only Siemens NX that keeps the old trend.

Also DP performance wasn't really the issue: it's not like you see advantages in DP performance with a Quadro 600 vs. a GF110/GK104/GK110, yet the former was handily outperforming them with the "old" Solidworks and Maya OpenGL viewport engines. I believe it is mostly an issue on the GPU drivers side, that were completely lacking optimization or even had intentional modifications to BIOS or cripples to hardware level, simply to promote Quadro/Firepro sales.

Hints about hardware level differences are derived from the fact that in most cases, modding GF cards with changing the product ID resistors and flashing Quadro BIOS in "on-paper" identical GPU architectures, didn't result to a complete match in performance. Something is "left out". At least nVidia is not repeating the "softmod mistakes" of the past.

With optimizations on the CAD software side, we can hope for at least "workable" performance using consumer cards.
Getting 10 fps might be mediocre, but it is night and day vs. getting 2 fps.
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post #74 of 110
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It seems that even without the DP fully enabled on the 780 Ti and the 290X they both do very good already. Except for some benches like the Siemens NX and the solid works benchmark.

Double precision is irrelevant for view-port performance

What you're seeing is driver optimizations and/or hobbling.

I've read on eevblog that Quadros/Tesla have software ECC VRAM , so it is not the VRAM chip that is ECC the software is coded such that they are slower but error checking

If you look at the PCB the PCB is different for Firepros/Quadros.

Quadro K2000 (GK107 / GTX 650 based)


http://www.moddingmx.com/portal/tarjetadevideo/review-pny-quadro-k2000/

Quadro K5000 (GK104/ GTX 680 based)

http://www.coolingconfigurator.com/upload/pictures/Nvidia-Quadro-5000K-3.5GB-GDDR5-PCB_53346.jpg

Firepro W7000 (Pitcairn / hd7870 based)

http://www.pcpop.com/doc/0/953/953865_1.shtml

Firepro W9000 (Tahiti/ HD7970 based)

http://www.coolingconfigurator.com/upload/pictures/AMD-FirePro-W9000-6GB-GDDR5-PCB.jpg

Tesla K20 (GK110 based)

http://www.coolingconfigurator.com/upload/pictures/tesla_k20_small_25476.jpg
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7 monitors. Right. There is a point my neck starts inventing a new olympic sport by turning around. I have a suspicion the optimal is sufficiently big enough monitors in a limited amount.
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7 monitors. Right. There is a point my neck starts inventing a new olympic sport by turning around. I have a suspicion the optimal is sufficiently big enough monitors in a limited amount.

Yes, let's complain about having more features. Versatility be damned
     
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Yes, let's complain about having more features. Versatility be damned

Yes. That's exactly what I said. Good job. You'll be great at a political party's campaign.
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Yes. That's exactly what I said. Good job. You'll be great at a political party's campaign.
then what were you saying?
     
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7 monitors. Right. There is a point my neck starts inventing a new olympic sport by turning around. I have a suspicion the optimal is sufficiently big enough monitors in a limited amount.

Although it's slightly off topic in here as it's not directly FirePro related. The point in having more than 3 screens for productivity is that you do not alt tab around but you can glance on a side screen for information that is not in active use but is relevant to keep an eye on. For example, writing an article I have number of figures, references, etc on other screens while I work on few center-most screens. It does increase productivity. Althoughj it can be hard to believe if you have not experienced the working with multiple screens. Once you do it's kinda hard to go back in my opinion - assuming the work you are doing benefits ofc from having multiple screens. For just 2D work getting FirePro is not quite ideal solution bcos of the price, but pointed out earlier there are good enough cards that should have no problems running strictly 2D loads on up to 6 4K screens at 60 Hz, like that 7870 linked. Problem arises if you would like, for example, run a mix of 3D content and large number of screens - in there having a consumer card with a little more vRAM and a little more power would be quite beneficial. Of cource it's a niche thing but it would be nice to see some love from AMD side towards the enthusiast niche instead of just assuming that every granny buying their R290X is going to be running maximum single 4K screen at 60 Hz for playing their fancy new 3D Solitaire. I'm sure Solitaire would be a bit more awesome when shown, at say, 3x Eyefinity with 4K screens at 60 Hz wink.gif
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I meant people may have all the screen real estate they can handle. Their neck can't go further. Their eyes are comfortable.

They use windows.

I find it amusing that people often imply each monitor must have one window.
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