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I believe one reason the 120hz screens lack a TV Tuner is that the Tuner + associated circuitry would add input lag, which is kinda going against the point of the 120hz screen
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post #12 of 14
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Originally Posted by ENTERPRISE View Post

Yeah looks like the route im going to go as it has the Required inputs and everything else im looking for, will check to see if thats the one with the adjustable height and angles. Thanks !

It tilts, swivels, pivots, , adjustable height and even goes landscape to portrait easily.
post #13 of 14
Agree that the best way to add a television to a computer monitor, is use an external settop box or a computer TV tuner.
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Thanks guys,

Shame really as I am in a little bit of a battle, I want 120Hz plus for the Blur reduction and general gaming advantages it brings, but the IPS monitors have much better colours, alas they are generally limited to 60hz. Now I know there are some specialist IPS monitors out there capable of 120hz but finding them in stock is somewhat difficult.
You are aware that CRT 60Hz has less motion blur than LCD 120Hz (non-strobed)?

The motion blur game significantly changes when you add persistence shortening via impulse driving (e.g. phosphor, strobing, black frame insertion, or another method of shortening the visibility of a refresh cycle).

Refresh rate is not necessarily proportional to motion blur. It is more dependant on display persistence. Here is a good persistence diagram:



Oculus DK2 is only 75Hz, but has less motion blur than a 240Hz HDTV. And BENQ Blur Reduction at 60Hz has less motion blur than a QNIX 2710 overclocked at 120Hz, or a gaming 120Hz LCD with LightBoost turned off.

Strobe rates of LightBoost is locked to 100-120Hz, but strobe rates of the Version 2 firmware XL2720Z and XL2420Z BENQ Blur Reduction can be as low as 60Hz, so you can get CRT-clarity 60Hz. Getting 10x less motion blur in the HDMI input from a HDTV settop box, is now possible with the Z-series version 2. After configuring via Strobe Utility to reduce blur on all video inputs, you no longer need the computer to control the blur reduction. Then you can hook a console or TV box to get the 60Hz lightboost effect with 5x-10x+ less motion blur than a regular 60Hz LCD.

That said, 120Hz is definitely beneficial. But didn't you say you want motion blur reduction for 60Hz material such as television? You can't do effective motion blur elimination at 60fps@120Hz without either using interpolation or lowering the strobe rate to match the frame rate. You could also use www.svp-project.com to convert video from 60fps to 120fps, and then use strobing to reduce 120fps motion blur (scientifically, strobe modes require framerate == refreshrate == stroberate, in order to do effective motion blur elimination). But if you want to avoid interpolation, then you will want to consider a motion-blur-eliminating strobed monitor that can strobe at 60Hz, and currently, the only one other than a CRT, is the BENQ Z-Series Verision 2 at the moment. If you don't mind interpolation, then any of the motion-blur-reducing 120Hz strobing will work for you.

TL;DR: If you want to eliminate motion blur in television or 60fps material on an LCD computer monitor, you need either interpolation and/or 60Hz strobing
Edited by mdrejhon - 3/30/14 at 9:33am
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Originally Posted by mdrejhon View Post

Agree that the best way to add a television to a computer monitor, is use an external settop box or a computer TV tuner.
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Originally Posted by ENTERPRISE View Post

Thanks guys,

Shame really as I am in a little bit of a battle, I want 120Hz plus for the Blur reduction and general gaming advantages it brings, but the IPS monitors have much better colours, alas they are generally limited to 60hz. Now I know there are some specialist IPS monitors out there capable of 120hz but finding them in stock is somewhat difficult.
You are aware that CRT 60Hz has less motion blur than LCD 120Hz (non-strobed)?

The motion blur game significantly changes when you add persistence shortening via impulse driving (e.g. phosphor, strobing, black frame insertion, or another method of shortening the visibility of a refresh cycle).

Refresh rate is not necessarily proportional to motion blur. It is more dependant on display persistence. Here is a good persistence diagram:



Oculus DK2 is only 75Hz, but has less motion blur than a 240Hz HDTV. And BENQ Blur Reduction at 60Hz has less motion blur than a QNIX 2710 overclocked at 120Hz, or a gaming 120Hz LCD with LightBoost turned off.

Strobe rates of LightBoost is locked to 100-120Hz, but strobe rates of the Version 2 firmware XL2720Z and XL2420Z BENQ Blur Reduction can be as low as 60Hz, so you can get CRT-clarity 60Hz. Getting 10x less motion blur in the HDMI input from a HDTV settop box, is now possible with the Z-series version 2. After configuring via Strobe Utility to reduce blur on all video inputs, you no longer need the computer to control the blur reduction. Then you can hook a console or TV box to get the 60Hz lightboost effect with 5x-10x+ less motion blur than a regular 60Hz LCD.

That said, 120Hz is definitely beneficial. But didn't you say you want motion blur reduction for 60Hz material such as television? You can't do effective motion blur elimination at 60fps@120Hz without either using interpolation or lowering the strobe rate to match the frame rate. You could also use www.svp-project.com to convert video from 60fps to 120fps, and then use strobing to reduce 120fps motion blur (scientifically, strobe modes require framerate == refreshrate == stroberate, in order to do effective motion blur elimination). But if you want to avoid interpolation, then you will want to consider a motion-blur-eliminating strobed monitor that can strobe at 60Hz, and currently, the only one other than a CRT, is the BENQ Z-Series Verision 2 at the moment. If you don't mind interpolation, then any of the motion-blur-reducing 120Hz strobing will work for you.

TL;DR: If you want to eliminate motion blur in television or 60fps material on an LCD computer monitor, you need either interpolation and/or 60Hz strobing

Many thanks, great information and I will use that when making a decision. I have decided against upgrading for now as I am waiting for something better to come along, I know there is the Asus ROG monitor coming out not too far from now and I want to wait to see how well that performs, further to this it would be great to see what the competition come out with. I would kick myself to upgrade now to only find out I could have had something more capable.

Thanks again !
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