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OK, I misunderstood. The problem with using a 10,000rpm HDD instead of a 7200rpm HDD is increased current draw (not a huge problem with desktops) and increased noise and vibration. Replacing a 5400rpm HDD with a 7200rpm HDD in a laptop will decrease battery life between charges.

On a similar note, it was amazing how, after I replaced the 500GB 5400 rpm spinner with a 500GB SSD, the year and a half old battery in my notebook was suddenly much better than it was when the notebook was new.
he & I is saying desktop = desktop power consumption of a HDD is pointless lol.

What I here fail to understand is. WD & seagate can delay SSD adoption rate by introducing mainstream 10k rpm desktop HDD. Sure, 10K rpm HDD may not be as fast as SSD, but it will certainly buy them some time b4 everyone have SSD. *at certain point of time SSD capacity might be enough for an average user. for ex. a 256GB SSD is going to be more than enough for average user even those with light gaming rig. (I have my gaming rig with a 80GB+ 250Gb HDD, I can live with this size comfortability)

if a 256GB SSD drop to $50 in the future, that could take away quite a bit of market share from HDD maker. a 10K rpm 2TB HDD is better than a 7.2K rpm 6TB HDD.
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...a 10K rpm 2TB HDD is better than a 7.2K rpm 6TB HDD.

Unless you need to store almost 6TB of data. You certainly don't need that kind of speed just for data storage!
     
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Please do not use logic and common sense in this thread, it has turned to gibberish and inane ramblings. Any attempt at reasonable discourse will be ridiculed soundly.

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Time to upgrade my 118TB servers to 288TB to prep for 4K. I'm glad these are finally coming, hopefully they aren't overpriced and I can get a good deal in bulk... tongue.gif


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a 10K rpm 2TB HDD is better than a 7.2K rpm 6TB HDD.

You're comparing two different drives designed for totally different environments and data. Neither is better than the other, it depends if you need space or speed. Typically a consumer only needs one or the other based on what data they are storing. Why would you need 10k RPM to store media? Not only does 10K typically mean lower lifetime/more wear, it's totally not needed and would offer no real benefits for media.

~180MB/s, assuming these will be priced at a reasonable rice-per-gig ratio, is absolutely fantastic for storage purposes.
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Time to upgrade my 116TB servers to 288TB.

I am ready for 4K. tongue.gif

Uhm what?! Why do you have so much storage and do you have any photos anywhere? I'd love to see that beast thumb.gif
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Uhm what?! Why do you have so much storage and do you have any photos anywhere? I'd love to see that beast thumb.gif

I had a huge detailed thread but I requested it be deleted for (I'll call them) "safety reasons" and lack of time to update/reply to it. I think it had something like 250k unique views... Since you are a mod, it's probably in the trashed section or however they delete threads nowadays. tongue.gif
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Uhm what?! Why do you have so much storage and do you have any photos anywhere? I'd love to see that beast thumb.gif

I see this post preview in my subscriptions, and my first thought is, "Oh, Murlocke replied!" biggrin.gif You can go out and buy these, FYI. However, the $740 price tag makes them prohibitively expensive.

I must comment, however futile it may be, on server drives in laptops or bringing back the outdated 10 000RPM 3.5" drives. Current draw is a big issue, obviously, but they go against the paradigm shift for computers in general: low-power, adequate performance. Look at 28nm Maxwell and what it can do with just 75W available. Look at how little Intel has improved post-Sandy architectures' performance and how much they improved power usage. Storage? Seagate hasn't produced a 7200RPM laptop drive for 88 days and are pushing for SSDs as the performance option in laptops. Even their 600 series SSDs, despite using a full watt when idle, are still slightly better than a 5400RPM drive. Samsung's 0.3-0.4W drives? Call it negligible for measuring battery life.

Since energy increases linearly with mass and by the square of the velocity, I feel confident saying that a 10 000RPM drive uses almost twice as much energy as a 7200RPM drive, and that uses 75% more than a 5400RPM drive. We're moving to flash storage and perhaps ReRAM later on for speed and power.
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I see this post preview in my subscriptions, and my first thought is, "Oh, Murlocke replied!" biggrin.gif You can go out and buy these, FYI. However, the $740 price tag makes them prohibitively expensive.

I must comment, however futile it may be, on server drives in laptops or bringing back the outdated 10 000RPM 3.5" drives. Current draw is a big issue, obviously, but they go against the paradigm shift for computers in general: low-power, adequate performance. Look at 28nm Maxwell and what it can do with just 75W available. Look at how little Intel has improved post-Sandy architectures' performance and how much they improved power usage. Storage? Seagate hasn't produced a 7200RPM laptop drive for 88 days and are pushing for SSDs as the performance option in laptops. Even their 600 series SSDs, despite using a full watt when idle, are still slightly better than a 5400RPM drive. Samsung's 0.3-0.4W drives? Call it negligible for measuring battery life.

Since energy increases linearly with mass and by the square of the velocity, I feel confident saying that a 10 000RPM drive uses almost twice as much energy as a 7200RPM drive, and that uses 75% more than a 5400RPM drive. We're moving to flash storage and perhaps ReRAM later on for speed and power.

Yea i'll pass at $740 each... I usually pay 1/2 of retail when buying 40+ drives, and even then it'd be $17,760. That's a terrible price per gig ratio!

I was hoping for something like $375 each at retail prices. I'll see what deals I can get, i'm still debating on seeing if OCN will allow me to sell drives on here for discounted prices but I think I have to pay them and become a vendor rep... tongue.gif
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It's better than Raptors and only twice as expensive as 3.5" 1TB drives. I'd call that a win. Or something. rolleyes.gif
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What I am trying to say is HDD maker should push the 10K rpm HDD downwards to replace 7200rpm disk as mainstream drive, while the 7200rpm HDD replaces the 5400rpm ones.
The benefits of higher RPM HDDs are diminishing when compared to the engineering costs. Higher RPM HDDs require tighter tolerances which drive up costs. Besides, a lot of the performance gains are coming more from increase areal density.

Hard drive companies know that they can no longer charge premiums for higher RPM HDDs. A 10K RPM HDD may perform 7-10% better but cost 100-200% more. A SSD may cost 10 times as much but provides 500-1200% better performance. This is why we are seeing the move to hybrid drives for performance consumer HDDs.

Basically, we're seeing SSDs take over the performance segments while HDDs still own the mass storage segment.
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Just wait until you start properly using that SSD, After a while it'll be executing trim commands so it'll never be "idle" and battery life will dip a little, YES SSD's are more power efficient, I won't deny that, But they do still do use power in idle, where an HDD does not.
SSDs can go into lower power states faster than HDDs. They also use less power coming out of lower power states (no spinup).

SSDs are not performing TRIMs or GC constantly.
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