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If you are going with linux, soft raid is more than enough. In fact most raid cards are slower in hardware raid than softraid, so you are better off using with as a HBA.

Though with softraid a good cpu will help out with RAID 5/6 speeds. There is also a few tuneables to tweak to each setup, but that is after you get it up and running.

 

I wound not. 

Software RAID is not as fast as hardware RAID. Yes, parity calculations on modern CPUS are fast, but without a battery or flash-backed write cache, you're going to have a substantial performance hit.

ZFS setups (Those who need real speed.) use a ZIL and L2ARC to compensate for the lack of DRAM-backed cache.

EMC and others in the dedicated storage space have substantial amounts of DRAM-based cache (20+ GB typically), and now most people have to use SSDs for tiering caching.

Using ZFS, Windows Storage Spaces on a JBOD will almost certainly perform poorly when compared to a hardware-based DRAM cache.

 

The main weakness of hardware raid is the single point of failure being the RAID adapter, but that is why they are so damn expensive, they are designed to be reliable.

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If you are planning on using RAIDZ you are not really going to need a RAID 5/6 controller. You just need a JBOD / RAID 10 controller like you originally found. Also it is software RAID, you are going to need decent hardware to support 24 TB. I would not be able to sleep at night if I ran this setup.


Edited by RushiMP - 3/26/14 at 7:28pm
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Would these work with that card? They seem to be compatible. A bit expensive.
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If you are planning on using RAIDZ you are not really going to need a RAID 5/6 controller. You just need a JBOD controller like you originally found. Also it is software RAID, you are going to need decent hardware to support 24 TB.

The JBOD controller was the motherboard. I guess a decent mobo is in order then and a beefier processor.
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If you are going to run RAIDz or RAIDz2 then you can get a motherboard with 8-10 SATA ports and just fill them up, let Linux have direct hardware access to the drives and then setup your storage pools. Then it is all software, for better or for worse. There is no real benefit to having an expensive RAID adapter.

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I wound not. 



Software RAID is not as fast as hardware RAID. Yes, parity calculations on modern CPUS are fast, but without a battery or flash-backed write cache, you're going to have a substantial performance hit.



ZFS setups (Those who need real speed.) use a ZIL and L2ARC to compensate for the lack of DRAM-backed cache.



EMC and others in the dedicated storage space have substantial amounts of DRAM-based cache (20+ GB typically), and now most people have to use SSDs for tiering caching.



Using ZFS, Windows Storage Spaces on a JBOD will almost certainly perform poorly when compared to a hardware-based DRAM cache.



 



The main weakness of hardware raid is the single point of failure being the RAID adapter, but that is why they are so damn expensive, they are designed to be reliable.



Linux RAID will be faster than the LSI card he picked out. He isn't going to get a enterprise level SAN for his house, so he is at best going to get a card with 1GB of cache. His CPU will be so much faster at calculating the parity bits, the cache wont matter. Plus Linux's file caching will help with that either way, and more system memory is much cheaper.

ZFS is a closed source product by Oracle, and OpenZFS is a fairly new project. So take that with a grain of salt.


Also most systems don't have a single raid card. HA SAS systems are commonplace in enterprise, and even starting to trickle down. I am very happy with my LSI Syncro setup.
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I have setup a system like you are planning, but I used a Supermicro X9DR3-F with dual E5 8 core Xeons, so it performed well.

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I'm confused now. Should I use FreeNAS or Linux?
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I am going to have to play with some of these new setups. My setup is still a LSI Hardware RAID 5 with hotspare, been running for 7 years with two different disk setups with only one drive drop out and no other issues.

 

I am curious though, and am planning on upgrading my file server soon. I think it would be cheap and easy then to get a Rackable SE3016 SAS for $170 allowing for up to 16 drives and an adapter card with a JBOD 2 x SFF-8088 mini-SAS adapter for $300 and see what RAIDZ can do.

 

You can read about it on the [H]: 

 

http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1666401

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FreeNAS is Linux. You can stick with that. It will be simpler.

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