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I've been thinking that my monitor's colors run a bit too much toward the red spectrum, and I'm also hoping to upgrade to the Asus ROG swift, so I got a Spyder4Express hardware color calibrator, to try to get the best out of my current monitor and its eventual replacement. Ran it the first time, and the settings it chose made everything kinda greenish. Ran it a few more times, with variations (e.g. no lights on), still got an excessively greenish tint to things. Also, things seem a little less sharp. I definitely prefer the "uncalibrated" look. Has anyone else had an experience like this? Does anyone have any suggestions re: improving the calibration? Is it just silly to bother with hardware color calibration with a TN panel? Thanks for any input. (Monitor is in sig.)
post #2 of 11
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Hm...wish I'd seen this thread a week ago.

http://www.overclock.net/t/1322654/worth-getting-a-calibration-tool-for-tn-monitors/0_20
post #3 of 11
Before you ran the color calibration program did you set your monitor's settings back to default?

The problem maybe the calibration software that came with the Spyder4, you get what you pay for.

I use a Spyder4 with CEDP. CEDP is pricey, but it works great!
http://www.integrated-color.com/cedpro/coloreyesdisplay.html

As far as whether to use something like this or not, most people do not want to spend the money and they are happy with what they have, but it is the only way to get a properly calibrated monitor.
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In the white point setting, try checking the "LCD Native" option and then recalibrate. Should be in preferences.
post #5 of 11
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Thanks very much for replies/help!
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Originally Posted by idahosurge View Post

Before you ran the color calibration program did you set your monitor's settings back to default?

The problem maybe the calibration software that came with the Spyder4, you get what you pay for.

I use a Spyder4 with CEDP. CEDP is pricey, but it works great!
http://www.integrated-color.com/cedpro/coloreyesdisplay.html

As far as whether to use something like this or not, most people do not want to spend the money and they are happy with what they have, but it is the only way to get a properly calibrated monitor.

I selected the "Reset" option on my monitor...thing is, it's got so many different settings/options - some of which it chooses automatically - that I'm not sure that this returns it to the sort of "blank" state that the calibration hardware/software needs. I'm pretty sure I had it on long enough before I ran the program; that's another precondition for correct calibration.

A lot of people obviously get a lot out of their Spyder calibration hardware, particularly the higher-end models (and a lot of people get what they want from Spyder4Express)...I'm kind of reluctant to spend a lot of money on calibration for a TN panel. May change my mind. Depends on what I upgrade to. If I get the ROG Swift @ $800, a $150 color calibration kit might seem more reasonable.
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In the white point setting, try checking the "LCD Native" option and then recalibrate. Should be in preferences.

I've seen this suggestion elsewhere, along with some other ones, like setting whitepoint higher than default, calibrating w/ lights off (my monitor has a function that actually picks up ambient light and adjusts accordingly). Gonna try some of these over the weekend.
post #6 of 11
If you reset you monitor then you did reset everything to default.

As long as you set the Spyder4 on your monitor for 10 minutes and let your Spyder4 and monitor both warm up to the same temp that is fine.

I do not know what software you are using, probably Datacolor, but if you are letting the software calibrate and it is not giving you a good calibration will the software you have let you manually calibrate?

To manually calibrate your monitor has to have a OSD (onscreen display) and it has to have controls so you can manually adjust your R/G/B levels along with your contrast and brightness. Read through the manual or help files for your calibration software and monitor to see if you can do a manual calibration.

Also are you sure that the LUT table the calibration software created is loading when you boot into Windows. When you installed the software it should have added this to the start up menu. You can look at your start up menu in msconfig and see if the software added the lut table to start up.

One last thing, right click on your desktop and then select screen resolution. In the window that pops up select Advanced settings. In the next popup select the color management tab and then select color management.

1- Now under name you should see the name of the lut table, make sure that this is set to default, if not set it to default. Delete any other entries.
2- Next click on the advanced tab, under device profile select your lut table, under viewing conditions profile select system default (WCS profile for sRBG viewing conditions).

Next on the bottom left click on change system defaults and repeat 1 and 2 above.

Now click on the close button and keep click close or OK until everything is closed.
Edited by idahosurge - 3/28/14 at 11:43am
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post #7 of 11
Only time ive ever had weird tint applied after calibration is when the monitor i am calibrating can't hit the 6500K color temperature Spyder software aims for. This is often the case with poor quality 1366x768 TN panels common on most readily available laptops.

The "LCD native" function cures it.

Of course YMMV.
post #8 of 11
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Couldn't find a way to set color temperature manually by #, but everything else checked out. Selected "LCD Native", and voila - red bias is gone, green tint is gone, whites are back, and colors are richer. Thanks guys. And here I was, about to return the calibrator...

+1 for Spyder4 Express. Recommended.
post #9 of 11
Yeah. The spyderexpress software doesn't really allow you any customization at all, hence the low price. There are open source programs that work just fine however, and allow you to customize if need be.
post #10 of 11
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Yeah. The spyderexpress software doesn't really allow you any customization at all, hence the low price. There are open source programs that work just fine however, and allow you to customize if need be.

Do they work with Spyder (or other) hardware?
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