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I got one of them installed and tested its performance with ChristalDiskMark 3, and its a little better than the results shown at the link, accept for the 4K Read. Strange. I wonder why that value is so low?
http://hdd.userbenchmark.com/Compare/WD-Black-1TB-2013-vs-WD-Black-1TB-2010/1822vs1580

WD1003FZEX (Intel Z87 SATA III)
Read: 184.1
Write: 172.6
512K Read: 58.87
512 Write: 114.8
4K Read: 0.715
4K Write: 1.977
4K Read QD32: 2.138
4K Write QD32: 2.036

So I guess it doesn't run at SATA III speeds and SATA II is perfectly good. So you were right after all. smile.gif

So what are the best USB 3.0 / eSATA II combo, single 3.5 HDD drive enclosures with a fan? I still really want something that spins the drive down when its idle. Constantly running it all night long if someone forgets about it makes me nervous. I'm sure some of you will say its not a big deal... but people in this house are forgetful lol and it would give me peace of mind. smile.gif

larymoencurly has recommended Rosewill a few times, but to be honest.... customer experiences seem a little spotty and I see patterns of complaints with a lot of their products. While reading the customer comments under the Rosewill RX-358 at Newegg, after a long list of people complaining that Windows 7 connects to it then disconnects it and fails to recognize it, a customer said you have to enable AHCI on your motherboard's SATA or the drive won't work with your system. I just glanced at my motherboard's manual, and it says that SATA 5 and 6 only support AHCI, and while messing around with it.... it seems to be somewhat automatic about how it works. SATA 7 and 8 are ASMedia and only support AHCI. If I can find something long enough to add an eSATA to the back of my system, should I use 7 and 8 or 5 and 6? Also, is AHCI something that is commonly supported on most computers these days without having to mess with any settings, or am I going to have to turn on AHCI with ANY computer I connect that Rosewill enclosure to?

Great... I fouled up the thread again. I'm guessing no one's going to post in it anymore now. The title and OP is different than the discussion again. Sorry guys... I didn't realize how much hard drives and connections has changed and how much much I needed to learn about it, until now. What should I do? Change the title and OP? I requested the last thread locked for the very same reason. What a mess. I feel bad. I'm making extra work for the nice people who staff this place in their free time. frown.gif (I know what its like because I've been in their shoes)
Edited by Drahadis - 3/28/14 at 4:29pm
post #12 of 17
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Finally found something long enough so I don't have to drape SATA cords up diagonally across my entire motherboard.

Monoprice 18" 3.0Gbps SATA to eSATA Bracket
http://www.monoprice.com/Product?c_id=104&cp_id=10407&cs_id=1040707&p_id=7638&seq=1&format=2

$1.67? ....I wonder how well they're actually made.
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Don't worry about the cheap price of that, it's actually on sale and normally like $12.
Even if it were MSRP $2.. it'd probably still be able to be sold at a small profit, they're quite simple things.

I bought a 4+1(Shared) PCI Usb card since my motherboard ports started failing, and haven't had a problem with any of them for a few years. Also bought a sound card for $8 and had no problem with it other than a lack of front panel support making me return it. Cheap components for simple things are fine.
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Yeah, I see its a sale now. >.> Can't believe I missed that.
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Even though every Rosewill product I have purchased in the last few years has been a step or two below what I hoped the quality would be, I'd most likely buy from them again if a budget were in place and they had what I wanted at a decent price. Seeing past the minor issues, the products work and haven't given me much trouble at all.

As for a drive enclosure, I do not have much experience with them but I will say it's likely you're worrying too much about this.
Hard Drives do put out a noticeable amount of heat, especially older drives, but most modern ones run cool enough to not require active cooling. Simply leaving a drive on won't cause it to kill itself after a few nights of constant spinning. I'd also bet that benchmarking it for a month straight probably wouldn't harm them either. So long as you're not benching it and knock it over.. but that's always a bad situation.

All you should have to do is find a safe spot to keep it from falling over and away from a heat source (Stove, baseboard, direct sunlight, etc) and it should probably do just fine. Enclosures with a fan seem silly, most are so small that the fan wouldn't even circulate much air around them without putting out a ton of noise and requiring dusting often.

From what I see at Newegg, the majority of external drive enclosures come without a fan and most of the best rated/most popular ones don't either.

As for your 4K speeds being so low, that's just the nature of HDDs.
They are terrible at random access times and doing lots of small reads and writes compared to a couple of long sequential large ones really slows things down.

If you want to speed them up a little bit, make sure you have AHCI enabled in your BIOS.
AHCI lets the drive queue up things in an efficient way to reduce seek times and speed them up a little, but it's not going to make that big of a difference.

Check these out
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_Command_Queuing
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Host_Controller_Interface
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Originally Posted by Drahadis View Post

Finally found something long enough so I don't have to drape SATA cords up diagonally across my entire motherboard.

Monoprice 18" 3.0Gbps SATA to eSATA Bracket
http://www.monoprice.com/Product?c_id=104&cp_id=10407&cs_id=1040707&p_id=7638&seq=1&format=2

$1.67? ....I wonder how well they're actually made.
Monoprice lifetime warranty? I've had no problems with Monoprice cables, including SATA and about 10 AT-PS/2 keyboard adapter cables (IBM keyboards). Even Meritline cables have been OK for me, although some of their other stuff has been built like crap. Actually the only problems I've heard about cheap cables have been those made of aluminum or copper cladded aluminum wire, so you should be OK as long as you stick to pure copper wire cables.
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Even though every Rosewill product I have purchased in the last few years has been a step or two below what I hoped the quality would be, I'd most likely buy from them again if a budget were in place and they had what I wanted at a decent price. Seeing past the minor issues, the products work and haven't given me much trouble at all.

As for a drive enclosure, I do not have much experience with them but I will say it's likely you're worrying too much about this.
Hard Drives do put out a noticeable amount of heat, especially older drives, but most modern ones run cool enough to not require active cooling. Simply leaving a drive on won't cause it to kill itself after a few nights of constant spinning. I'd also bet that benchmarking it for a month straight probably wouldn't harm them either. So long as you're not benching it and knock it over.. but that's always a bad situation.

All you should have to do is find a safe spot to keep it from falling over and away from a heat source (Stove, baseboard, direct sunlight, etc) and it should probably do just fine. Enclosures with a fan seem silly, most are so small that the fan wouldn't even circulate much air around them without putting out a ton of noise and requiring dusting often.

From what I see at Newegg, the majority of external drive enclosures come without a fan and most of the best rated/most popular ones don't either.

As for your 4K speeds being so low, that's just the nature of HDDs.
They are terrible at random access times and doing lots of small reads and writes compared to a couple of long sequential large ones really slows things down.

If you want to speed them up a little bit, make sure you have AHCI enabled in your BIOS.
AHCI lets the drive queue up things in an efficient way to reduce seek times and speed them up a little, but it's not going to make that big of a difference.

Check these out
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_Command_Queuing
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Host_Controller_Interface

Woah, things got really busy here! (Extended family and grandparent stuff.)

Shadow, I sent an email to Rosewill, asking some questins about the two Rosewill external enclosures they make, the METAS BLACK and RX-358 U3C BLK. I already decided I'm going to get one of these, but I thought you guys might be interested in what they said.


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Dear Valued Customer,

Thank you for contacting Rosewill support.

We would be glad to assist you with your question.

Please see the response below in regards to METAS BLACK and RX-358 U3C BLK:

1.) The Metas and RX-358 U3C enclosures do not have compatibility issues with Asus Motherboards. The Asus motherboard we have tested with is the Asus P9X79 LE motherboard. This board have blue USB 3.0 colored ports but the color of the ports do not matter. Rather it’s the USB 3.0 chipset. The Asus P9X79 LE motherboard uses a Asmedia chipset. Couldn’t find which Asmedia specifically but both Metas and RX-358 U3C performed flawlessly with a 4TB HDD.

2). The RX-358 U3C does come with a powersavings feature that spins down the HDD after idling for some time (USB connection). AHCI is only related to eSATA and SATA connections and only affects hotswap/hot plugging. It is not related to ASUS controllers. Ensure all drivers of USB ports and eSATA chipset of the motherboard are up to date.

3). The RX-358 enclosures spins down the HDD after idling for some time. About 10 minutes. Metas does not have the powersavings feature and must be shut down manually.

4). The failure ratio of both units are below our set threshold percentage and both units come with a 1 year warranty.

If you have any further questions or concerns of using our product in the future, please feel free to contact us.

Thank you for choosing Rosewill.

So that's great! The RX-358 spins down the HDD while connected to the USB 3.0 connection. Hmmmm... I'm rethinking this whole E-SATA thing now. Honestly, after soaking all this in I think USB 3.0 is good enough for my needs. Especially after learning that fact. I think I'll try that one and tell you guys what I think. Guess I'm saving a few bucks by not needing e-sata ports now. smile.gif


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Monoprice lifetime warranty? I've had no problems with Monoprice cables, including SATA and about 10 AT-PS/2 keyboard adapter cables (IBM keyboards). Even Meritline cables have been OK for me, although some of their other stuff has been built like crap. Actually the only problems I've heard about cheap cables have been those made of aluminum or copper cladded aluminum wire, so you should be OK as long as you stick to pure copper wire cables.

I recently bought a pair of Monoprice HDMI cables, and so far no problems... but I will say the cables feel a little cheap. The rubber sleeve over the cord is loose like its too big. I got their standard cables with the ferrite cores. Honestly, I think the free one I got from Comcast is better quality. Heavier, thicker, meatier cable... not to mention free. No difference in performance though, at least with the short lengths I'm using.
Edited by Drahadis - 4/9/14 at 9:12am
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