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post #11 of 84
This is a brilliant idea,if it works.....it sounds like it should.
No more *pressed for time* scenarios in critical situations.
post #12 of 84
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Originally Posted by Vagrant Storm View Post

I wonder if insurance will cover this...

I think they will cover it, but only if you or lawyer can really convince them to do it. usually insurance wont pay up if it really really expenive or very new barely tested method of treating patient.


But this source are stated to be tested in philly, people with gunshot/stab wound usually in gang related violents or ghetto area, i dont think they even have insurance at all lol
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post #13 of 84
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I'm all for advancements in life saving techniques but doesn't this technicly kill them, so they can fix them, And then bring them back to life?

I doesn't kill them. I just slows the process of cellular death from minutes to hours.

For the most part, when someone "dies" if you pump blood and oxygen throughout the body, the heart will restart and they will regain consciousness. Medically speaking, someone is only "really" dead after 5 minutes of the brain lacking oxygen. That's when the neurons start dying. Even then, if the brainstem is still intact, the body will still keep functioning.

What we call death, is the really the ceasing of conscious independent thought.
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As someone who worked in an ER during undergrad. I promise they don't really care. It's sad but it's the truth.

Sad but true... insurance doesn't care about anything, they're for profit, not for life. If you die to save them money, they smile and go on about their business. Unfortunately, i've met plenty of Doctors and Nurses who live the same way. I guess the Hippocratic Oath means nothing anymore frown.gif

OT: I think this is awesome technology to finally put into real practice, even for active experimentation only. This could have lots of benefits for the entire medical industry really, and if taken to the extreme, space travel as well.
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What if you are suspended in a state of pain and have to endure that pain the entire time. You know darn well someone is gonna have this happen to them and then sue the crap out of someone for being "saved".
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What if you are suspended in a state of pain and have to endure that pain the entire time. You know darn well someone is gonna have this happen to them and then sue the crap out of someone for being "saved".

Though the idea is possible, if they're doing extreme system cooling, this would dull the nerves and you likely wouldn't feel anything. They could even use subliminal messages to keep you aware of world events, family visits, etc... or go the route of Demolition Man and effectively brainwash you tongue.gif

Lots of possibilities, but I trust medical scientists more than I do general Doctors.
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It has been done already. I saw a show with a heart surgeon who had a 45 minute window. He then brought the patient back. It works.
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It has been done already. I saw a show with a heart surgeon who had a 45 minute window. He then brought the patient back. It works.

The source mentions that...but that is a different deal because they have a lot of prep time and it is a very slow cooling process. This is something that will have to be done super fast in the ER with almost no prep time.
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The source mentions that...but that is a different deal because they have a lot of prep time and it is a very slow cooling process. This is something that will have to be done super fast in the ER with almost no prep time.
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What if you are suspended in a state of pain and have to endure that pain the entire time. You know darn well someone is gonna have this happen to them and then sue the crap out of someone for being "saved".

Um...no. You know how when someone is pain and you smack them upside the head and they lose consciousness, they no longer roll around screaming in agony?

This is a safer way to do that.(crudely put)

You chemically render someone unconscious, there by stopping the conscious perception of pain. Yes, the stimulus is still there, but without conscious thought, all the stimuli from the back of the brain have no way to register as pain. In addition, the temperature the body is being cooled to, reduces all cellular activity from what use to take seconds, to now taking hours. The chemicals used to fire signals across synapses is practically stopped.

That is why this practically suspended animation. You're not going to feel pain. Quite frankly, you thinking process has been stopped.(Really slowed to a ridiculous degree)
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