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It might get done faster if you are a bit modest with what you want. Let's say a GTX 750 Ti is enough for 1080p for you. You'd need something four times as powerful. The GTX 780 is better than double that speed? 800 series is around the corner and will do better. After that, there might be something that can do four times the speed at the end of 2015? I might be totally wrong because the cards might only be four times as powerful at 1080p, but drop in performance in 4K because of memory bandwidth reasons.

In three years, that stacked DRAM experiment they are currently working on might be finished and getting sold in normal cards. At that point perhaps 4K at 120Hz will start to work?

Incorrect. You don't need 4x the power for 4x the resolution. Resolution is just a small part of performance impact in gaming.
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once a single flagship card can run all if not most games on everything at least "High", it can be considered mainstream/standard/the norm.
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It might get done faster if you are a bit modest with what you want. Let's say a GTX 750 Ti is enough for 1080p for you. You'd need something four times as powerful. The GTX 780 is better than double that speed? 800 series is around the corner and will do better. After that, there might be something that can do four times the speed at the end of 2015? I might be totally wrong because the cards might only be four times as powerful at 1080p, but drop in performance in 4K because of memory bandwidth reasons.

In three years, that stacked DRAM experiment they are currently working on might be finished and getting sold in normal cards. At that point perhaps 4K at 120Hz will start to work?

Incorrect. You don't need 4x the power for 4x the resolution. Resolution is just a small part of performance impact in gaming.

Yup, you are right. I tried looking up some benchmarks that show 1440p and 1080p and it's exactly like you say, the FPS drop a lot less than what happens regarding the number of pixels.
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Nope, it's four times the pixels.

(1920 * 2) * (1080 * 2) = 1920 * 1080 * 4

Arh yes I'm sorry you're right tongue.gif
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Incorrect. You don't need 4x the power for 4x the resolution. Resolution is just a small part of performance impact in gaming.

Yeah, though resolution has quite a huge role in performance, I noticed when going from 1280x720 to 1080 my FPS was actually not halved, as I expected it would be. Ended up staying with my 550 Ti instead of buying a 670, since I'm always above 100FPS average in all of my games. Also, the 550 Ti can manage decent FPS at 5760x1080 which shocked me.
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Let's wait and see what the enthusiast grade Maxwell cards have in store for us.
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Every post I make where I talk about my opinion and then ask people what they think always ends up with people who have a lot of flames and rep having disagreements with fundamental concepts. This is what I intend, and this is what I get. In this case, some people think that a 780ti will run 4k smoothly, some people don't. I personally know that it will not because my buddy has a 780 (not ti) and it can't run his 3 monitors with maxed graphics at 1080p. He has to turn his settings on the high mode. That was the basis of me asking this question. But add another 1080p monitor to his setup and it is easy to see that a 780ti will have trouble running games at the comfortable frames that we expect now.

As for WOW, that is probably upscaled to 4K and is probably not running at native 4K. WOW is not very graphics intensive either. What I am talking about is running games in 3 years that are the future equivalent of how demanding Far Cry 3 or Crysis 3 are now, with native 4K textures (not upscaled, remember) with millions of polygons running around all at the same time, each with collision detection, at 60 frames WITHOUT dropping below that.

A 780ti is not going to be able to handle that.
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4K gaming will not be mainstream until monitor prices drop. Mainstream.

People do it now. Mainstream implies most gamers use 4k. I would go as far to say not until someone offers 4K for under $200 on a 20"+ monitor.

As far as time? Based on past experience, I would say At least 5 years.

Besides, if you already have a monitor that has at least a 81 PPI, do you really want to jump into a 4K if your monitor still works perfectly?
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If we play with 2006 graphics, we can use 4k@60hz now, pretty much

a very big problem as i see it is that devs will continue to target ~60fps at typical mainstream resolution with a midrange card on max graphics (think 760)

so that means GPU power might double.. but if we make a Crysis 4 that looks better, with a GPU that's twice as powerful, FPS won't improve at 1080p or at 4k
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I think the estimate of 3 years is a reasonable timeline to allow for both 4k TV/Monitor market penetration and mainstream single GPU's capable of pushing those kind of pixels at 60fps.
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