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Did you guys all buy Crysis 3 as well just cause it looks like a wet dream?

Skyrim has a better Ragdoll technology than Crysis IMHO.
    
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I am in utter shock at how much you guys care about gfx. Srsly never thought it was this bad but now I know. I don't own a console but jesus, the game looks good enough. I'm stressing gameplay more than shiny blow up my TITAN Z graphics.

Did you guys all buy Crysis 3 as well just cause it looks like a wet dream?

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I am in utter shock at how much you guys care about gfx. Srsly never thought it was this bad but now I know. I don't own a console but jesus, the game looks good enough. I'm stressing gameplay more than shiny blow up my TITAN Z graphics.

Did you guys all buy Crysis 3 as well just cause it looks like a wet dream?

while I can't speak for everyone, alot of what people are upset about is that we're likely to not get the game that was advertised. As others have mentioned if they never showed the E3 footage them most of use would be stoked about the game. But they did show the E3 footage. So we know they're capable of that level of graphics. We simply want the best they can do. At present the best was the E3 demo.
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The problem are the houndreds of different PC configurations that can be built. And its going to be impossible for devs to optimize their games for all or most kinds of configs.

lol you make it sound complicated when its not, i mean its complicated but theres only one area to be concerned about, at least for cpus and thats coding the gaming to make use of as many cpu cores as possible,
then maybe hyperthreading
as for the graphics card thats a whole other area that doesnt seem to be too difficult to get. Its the cpus that pose itself as the grande mathetical riddle to get a game that will utilize as many cpu cores as possible.

arma 3 runs the same on many very powerful and yet different system builds, doesnt matter if you have a 780 ti or a black titan or a 290 or whatever overclock you got, it actually matters how much ghz your cpu has. So with gpus, the performance gains have a limit because the cpu isnt working all cores fully and its a more cpu intensive game, doesnt matter if you have 6 cores or 4.
The game spreads the utilization and doesnt use the cores properly so it benefits from having a better overclocked core. Getting a better gpu for that game is a waste unless you want to push higher resolutions in which case you need more vram.

hopefully watch dogs will incorporate resolution scaling so you can supersample, so people like me with the ancient 1680 and 1920 monitors can supersample up to higher resolutions smile.gif
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lol you make it sound complicated when its not, i mean its complicated but theres only one area to be concerned about, at least for cpus and thats coding the gaming to make use of as many cpu cores as possible,
then maybe hyperthreading
as for the graphics card thats a whole other area that doesnt seem to be too difficult to get. Its the cpus that pose itself as the grande mathetical riddle to get a game that will utilize as many cpu cores as possible.

arma 3 runs the same on many very powerful and yet different system builds, doesnt matter if you have a 780 ti or a black titan or a 290 or whatever overclock you got, it actually matters how much ghz your cpu has. So with gpus, the performance gains have a limit because the cpu isnt working all cores fully and its a more cpu intensive game, doesnt matter if you have 6 cores or 4.
The game spreads the utilization and doesnt use the cores properly so it benefits from having a better overclocked core. Getting a better gpu for that game is a waste unless you want to push higher resolutions in which case you need more vram.

hopefully watch dogs will incorporate resolution scaling so you can supersample, so people like me with the ancient 1680 and 1920 monitors can supersample up to higher resolutions smile.gif

I get what you mean... but... if in order to get all the eye candy possible in a game (ultra settings, with 4x MSAA + physx + DX11 features + 1080p) you need 2 780's (or a Titan) to achieve 60 stable fps, then which is the point? Are the graphics going to be like real life to justify the amount of money invested on a PC like that? I guess not. Also you buy that stuff, for what? To play horribly optimized games that run like hell in that expensive configuration?
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WAYYY to much day 1 dlc. I really wanted this game, but until reviews are out, I will not be pre-ordering it. I'll NEVER pre-order anything again after I got screwed with BF4.
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I get what you mean... but... if in order to get all the eye candy possible in a game (ultra settings, with 4x MSAA + physx + DX11 features + 1080p) you need 2 780's (or a Titan) to achieve 60 stable fps, then which is the point? Are the graphics going to be like real life to justify the amount of money invested on a PC like that? I guess not. Also you buy that stuff, for what? To play horribly optimized games that run like hell in that expensive configuration?

Diminishing returns have always been there even going back to the early 2D days. Just because you can't get photo realistic results does not mean people should stop trying. Games are scalable so just because it would take two top of the line GPU's to max a game does not mean its pushing for to good graphics.

Perhaps someone with an single 780's thinks oh, this game looks so nice (ultra settings, with 4x MSAA + physx + DX11 features + 1080p) and is relatively slow pace so I'm going to run it maxed at 30FPS. Or perhaps someone with two titans is running it thinks they want even more AA and slaps in a third card.

The rest of us just adjust the graphics settings to match our hardware and a few years down the line there will be much more power full hardware on the market making more of the graphics options available for thous running more moderately priced hardware. Being able to configure a game to your taste and machine spec is an integral part of PC gaming.

Cutting edge features have always been less the optimal in terms of performance but again that does not mean they should not be included in the game as long as they are bug free. Enthusiasts are more then willing to pay the extra cost for getting the latest and greatest visuals.

This is the mentality that keeps the ball rolling. Devs make games that push the current hardware to their limit and beyond, hardware manufacturer make faster stuff, end users buy new hardware and enjoy the new stuff. For their next game thous features will be more optimized and the average hardware on the market will be faster and able to run them, devs introduce new features to once again push the envelope and so the cycle continues.


If you take one cog out of that machine, be it better hardware or the software to push that hardware then the money that has feed the graphics evolution will stop flowing and things will stagnate. Is that what you want? That games 20 years form now look no better then the current ones. I mean whats the point to go for better graphics if it needs better hardware rolleyes.gif
    
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Did you guys all buy Crysis 3 as well just cause it looks like a wet dream?

Sure. If I want a real FPS experience, I'll stick to other games. tongue.gif
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I get what you mean... but... if in order to get all the eye candy possible in a game (ultra settings, with 4x MSAA + physx + DX11 features + 1080p) you need 2 780's (or a Titan) to achieve 60 stable fps, then which is the point? Are the graphics going to be like real life to justify the amount of money invested on a PC like that? I guess not. Also you buy that stuff, for what? To play horribly optimized games that run like hell in that expensive configuration?

i play alot of different games and used to own 8800 for 7 years, 7 years never upgraded. Only now felt was time to upgrade because i was struggling with 720p
ill keep this card for 5-6 years, or more till her dying days. then ill switch heatsink just like i did to the 8800 which boosts longevity since fans were starting to fail.

Any game that has modding community will be around just as long and maybe more years, arma 3.
- Runs fine for servers no more than 40 people and not heavily scripted missions.
- dayz will be around a long long time, at least for me because i love that game.
- Rust great game and has constant development
- the forest, dayz like looks promising, hopefully allows modding also
Theres a sandbox engine game that allows full modding, it has the entire earth mapped out, i forget what its called now, you gotta pay like 15 bux to access it. if it catches on, it will definitely bring new great games. it has phsyx and everything and runs better than many other sandbox engines. forgive me i cant remember the damn name

Then bf4, some people still play bf3 and bf4 is the best fps to me. these games will last a very long time. Constant development keeps things fresh.

i forget to mention source games, like counterstrike and the thousands of maps and mods and servers-gamemodes equipped with it. one of the best modding communities ever.

as for watch dogs, its a neat game. Will see if its total game-changer vs grand theft auto, i got so bored of gta after a few weeks. Even their free somewhat-up-to-date dlc isnt that great, its such an arcady feel and the theft and violence is so outplayed and year 2004ish, feels old, same old recipe.
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