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It takes me two evenings to take out all the blocks, take them apart, clean with ketchup, scrub a bit, take the fans off the rads, clean the rad fins.....and put it all back together.
And I do that about every year.
And if my tubing needs replacing (gunk, plastisizer, ect) that's two busy evenings.

I actually like doing this stuff.

And I change coolant every 6 months or so. Have been known to skip one refill from time to time, but it can't be proven in court.
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Originally Posted by d00bzilla View Post

lol, i don't know how many first timers are going to be using acrylic. i don't even use acrylic. i like to change things too much tongue.gif

I did! biggrin.gif

But honestly, building it is most of the fun. Once its done its no different than air, just different numbers on the screen! You will probably upgrade or change something before needing to maintain the loop if you are honestly enough of an enthusiast to custom loop in the first place.
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Originally Posted by jthm4goth View Post

The one thing no one has really said anything about is tubing your intial build can take a long time if you go the route of acrylic tubes. It takes a lot of planning and is very time consuming to set up

My present build is all copper tubing.
It does take a lot more time than regular soft tubes, but probably less than acrylic.
I don't mind at all. Just like sleeving all my cables. It's tidious, but I enjoy all that stuff.
I tell people all sorts of excuses why I build such a high power machine.
Truth is, I like building the rig more than gaming.
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lol, i don't know how many first timers are going to be using acrylic. i don't even use acrylic. i like to change things too much tongue.gif
I used acrylic for my very first loop. It took a long time to plan bend cut rebend recut and get everything hooked up.
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My present build is all copper tubing.
It does take a lot more time than regular soft tubes, but probably less than acrylic.
I don't mind at all. Just like sleeving all my cables. It's tidious, but I enjoy all that stuff.
I tell people all sorts of excuses why I build such a high power machine.
Truth is, I like building the rig more than gaming.

I agree I keep upgrading and changing things cause I enjoy building so much. I actually just sold my mobo and cpu so I can upgrade to a new board and chip
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I don't know where this concept of draining and cleaning your loop every so often comes from. I'll generally take blocks apart and clean them if I'm tearing the loop down anyway to change it about, but for me there are only three reasons to take apart a loop just to clean it:

  1. Marked drop in performance even after dusting the rads
  2. Floaters in the res
  3. I'm really bored.

Other than that, I blow my rads out about once a month (damn dog hair gets everywhere) and that's it.

If you set things up right in the first place a loop can last years before needing any cleaning. One of my loops has been running for about two years without any issues, the other is passing the 18 month mark. Many other forum members, like Bitemarks, have had similar experiences. Martinm210 even took some pictures of one of his loops at 22 months and it looks as clean as the day it was installed:

Picture (Click to show)

I don't think his result is conclusive evidence of how all water loops will turn out considering the amount variables involved. Plasticizing is a big problem in loops, I have to change my tubing at least once a year if I want to keep my tubing clear and the water clean. Beginner watercooling enthusiasts aren't going to immediately start bending acrylic or copper tubing for their first system. It takes some skills to bend:
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

See thread for plasticizing:

http://www.overclock.net/t/1199158/plasticizer-problems-discussion-gallery/0_30
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I don't think his result is conclusive evidence of how all water loops will turn out considering the amount variables involved.

Yet with all those variables you are happy to specify a time frame for maintenance. Interesting.
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Originally Posted by anoob View Post

Plasticizing is a big problem in loops, I have to change my tubing at least once a year if I want to keep my tubing clear and the water clean.

Perhaps it is time to try using a different tube or coolant?

My tubes go cloudy but there is no change in performance, not floaters in the res and, when I do pull them apart, no solids in my blocks.


Edit: Just to be clear, I'm not saying that plasticizer isn't a problem and I'm not saying that you never have to clean the loop, what I'm saying is that there is no hard and fast rule for what time period is required between cleanings.

For some loops it may be days or weeks if they forget to flush their rads, months if their tubing / coolant combo doesn't play nice or multiple years if everything goes well. As I said before, the only time frame I would give is when performance drops, floaters appear or coolant appears cloudy.
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post #17 of 18
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Yet with all those variables you are happy to specify a time frame for maintenance. Interesting.
It's my advice, though you're free to disagree and provide your own. From my experience using plasticizer prone tubing at six months time the tubing looks pretty bad. At the one year mark the tubing is practically pure white/gray by then affecting performance because of too many floating particles from plasticizing.
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Perhaps it is time to try using a different tube or coolant?
Perhaps tubing when I've run out of whatever I have left but not so much for the coolant part, plasticizer wasn't really something discovered until more people got into watercooling only to find out there's a white film leaching out from the tubings after XYZ days of operation. Show me something better than distilled water and biocide and I will consider it, nothing has been proven to be more effective than this as you can't get anymore barebones than that for coolant. If you watercool chances are you have read this article before:
http://skinneelabs.com/coolant-fluid-roundup-thermal-performance/
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Edit: Just to be clear, I'm not saying that plasticizer isn't a problem and I'm not saying that you never have to clean the loop, what I'm saying is that there is no hard and fast rule for what time period is required between cleanings.
Well you were the one that insinuated that there is no need for periodic cleaning of loops. "I don't know where this concept of draining and cleaning your loop every so often comes from." Here you go again with rules, I am not the one declaring my advice as a rule that is you who is declaring it as so. A rule tells you what is and isn't allowed, my recommendation is advice based on my experience. Rules and recommendations are not the same thing.

I still stand by my recommendation considering if you're using tubing that is prone to plasticizing (which beginners may end up buying because of costs). If you're using that bad quality of tubing you may need to swap out the tubing much sooner than six months. Also consider the fact that not everyone has the same access to the same materials you do. You might be able to get access easily to plasticizer free tubing and distilled water but others may not be able to. We all don't live in the same country, county, city, province, state, etc... I learned from OCN that it's not that easy to get distilled water in some parts of Europe. Some have settled with deionized water and others have settled for bottled water because that's the best they could get. In the USA the majority of us can walk into any Rite Aid, Walgreens, CVS, Walmart, and practically any supermarket to pickup distilled water easily. It's not the same when you're on the other side of the world. I feel the OP's questions have been sufficiently answered and to continue on would only make us drift off topic.
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post #18 of 18
2-3 hours to drain and rebuild.

Add in time for any issues you find.

For me though, if my temps are good and my tubes look clean, I'm leaving it alone.
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