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Yeah X99 will only support 4 sticks of RAM? What?

At 8 GB a stick of DDR4 ram which probably will cost an arm and a leg, you'll only be able to max out at 32GB of ram. While it's more than the needs of most people, HEDT is not design for "most people" mad.gif

It's a feature of DDR4. Adding more than one stick per channel is not supported "out of the box" - it is supposed to be possible but would need some kind of additional stuff to pull off and is probably more of a server class stuff. So if you would like to have more than 32 GB of RAM it would be a good idea to sit on the current stuff for a while longer. It's not like X99 has features that are knocking your socks off.

Honestly, I'm probably going to get just 32GB and call it a day purely for the sake that it'd be an upgrade from the 16GB that I've used for a couple years now.


If ANYTHING, my gripe would be the loss of the balanced look of 4 sticks of ram equally spaced out on the motherboard. rolleyes.gif
I mean, just look at that. I'm not vain, really. I just like pretty things.

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This is not funny. As soon as AMD fell behind, Intel started milking their advantage. They replaced the TIM with some crappy one on newer processors, kept the prices up even after reducing the die sizes and cutting corners and "conveniently" delayed releasing their next "tick" line of processors.

The HEDT delay is really pushing it though. x58 was out about a year before the mainstream equivalent but x99 is out a year after. This is a disaster. xD


I don't consider new chipsets with new features to be "Milking it's customers". Motherboards are cheap. No one says you need to spend 300 on a motherboard every year. A 130-150 dollar one will do just fine. Also AMDs 990FX is almost a carbon copy of 790FX and you don't hear them complaining.

As for the TIM issue. Yeah it sucks but it's not like it cut clock speeds to 4ghz. A skilled overclocker can still get haswell and ivy to 4.6-4.8ghz.

It is what it is but I'm not jumping ship. Intel makes damn good products.
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Honestly, I'm probably going to get just 32GB and call it a day purely for the sake that it'd be an upgrade from the 16GB that I've used for a couple years now.


If ANYTHING, my gripe would be the loss of the balanced look of 4 sticks of ram equally spaced out on the motherboard. rolleyes.gif
I mean, just look at that. I'm not vain, really. I just like pretty things.

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lachen.gif At people who buy overpriced memory because it looks pretty in their case
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Honestly, I'm probably going to get just 32GB and call it a day purely for the sake that it'd be an upgrade from the 16GB that I've used for a couple years now.


If ANYTHING, my gripe would be the loss of the balanced look of 4 sticks of ram equally spaced out on the motherboard. rolleyes.gif
I mean, just look at that. I'm not vain, really. I just like pretty things.

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lachen.gif At people who buy overpriced memory because it looks pretty in their case

Why else would you buy expensive memory? For the 3% increase in performance? wink.gif

Just like why would you spend thousands of dollars putting in custom dual loops with hard acrylic tubing when a H100 gets you 80% of the way there? Again, because it's pretty. thumb.gif
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According to the information there, it uses 4 ram channels but supports only one dimm per channel, thus totaling to only 4 dimms.

I am guessing you missed the part about how a single stick of DDR4 memory is always its own channel. It wont take away from total capacity available because DDR4 standard will launch with 3D stacked die's. Whether companies implement it right away I dont know, but I think we could easily see 32GB or even 64GB per stick of DDR4. Being only 1 channel per stick means more bandwidth as you put more sticks in.
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Still no worthy upgrade for my Sandy Bridge. Will wait for Broadwell. Some say that Haswell refresh has same TIM so propbably Intel is lying 'bout that too
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[quote name="PsyM4n" url="/t/1477327/tpu-intel-finalizes-feature-sets-of-the-first-wave-of-9-series-chipsets#post_22020563"According to the information there, it uses 4 ram channels but supports only one dimm per channel, thus totaling to only 4 dimms.

I am guessing you missed the part about how a single stick of DDR4 memory is always its own channel. It wont take away from total capacity available because DDR4 standard will launch with 3D stacked die's. Whether companies implement it right away I dont know, but I think we could easily see 32GB per stick of DDR4. Being only 1 channel per stick means more bandwidth as you put more sticks in.[/quote]

Right, but if you only have 4 slots, you will always be stuck with only 4 channels and it's going to cost a lot more to get to 32GB or 64GB of ram. In fact, there has been no mention of 16GB sticks of DDR4 at launch. So far, they only talked about 4GB and 8GB sticks. Still a step backwards.
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Right, but if you only have 4 slots, you will always be stuck with only 4 channels and it's going to cost a lot more to get to 32GB or 64GB of ram. In fact, there has been no mention of 16GB sticks of DDR4 at launch. So far, they only talked about 4GB and 8GB sticks. Still a step backwards.

The big increase in cost with higher density memory normally comes from trying to put so many cells into a single chip. With stacked chips you can use the same cheap 8gbit ICs and instead of having just 8 chips giving 8 GB on a stick you can stack them and now get 16GB with the same cheap ICs for only $20 more or whatever. Or go another $20 and move to 24GB on a stick, etc. No need to step up to the far more expensive 16gbit ICs that are harder to make. The cost increase for density wont be nearly as high as all generations of the past.

And "only 4 channels"? We dont even get bottlenecked from dual channel memory right now except with AMD's APUs. Moving up to quad channel will already alleviate any timny bandwidth issue we have, and on top of that we are throwing in even faster speeds to get yet another bandwidth boost. 4 channels only wont be a problem for the consumer. Servers will have 8 channels available (or more depending on configuration) so the argument is not valid there either.
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Right, but if you only have 4 slots, you will always be stuck with only 4 channels and it's going to cost a lot more to get to 32GB or 64GB of ram. In fact, there has been no mention of 16GB sticks of DDR4 at launch. So far, they only talked about 4GB and 8GB sticks. Still a step backwards.

The big increase in cost with higher density memory normally comes from trying to put so many cells into a single chip. With stacked chips you can use the same cheap 8gbit ICs and instead of having just 8 chips giving 8 GB on a stick you can stack them and now get 16GB with the same cheap ICs for only $20 more or whatever. Or go another $20 and move to 24GB on a stick, etc. No need to step up to the far more expensive 16gbit ICs that are harder to make. The cost increase for density wont be nearly as high as all generations of the past.

And "only 4 channels"? We dont even get bottlenecked from dual channel memory right now except with AMD's APUs. Moving up to quad channel will already alleviate any timny bandwidth issue we have, and on top of that we are throwing in even faster speeds to get yet another bandwidth boost. 4 channels only wont be a problem for the consumer. Servers will have 8 channels available (or more depending on configuration) so the argument is not valid there either.

We'll see. I'm not going to hold my breath though.
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The big increase in cost with higher density memory normally comes from trying to put so many cells into a single chip. With stacked chips you can use the same cheap 8gbit ICs and instead of having just 8 chips giving 8 GB on a stick you can stack them and now get 16GB with the same cheap ICs for only $20 more or whatever. Or go another $20 and move to 24GB on a stick, etc. No need to step up to the far more expensive 16gbit ICs that are harder to make. The cost increase for density wont be nearly as high as all generations of the past.

And "only 4 channels"? We dont even get bottlenecked from dual channel memory right now except with AMD's APUs. Moving up to quad channel will already alleviate any timny bandwidth issue we have, and on top of that we are throwing in even faster speeds to get yet another bandwidth boost. 4 channels only wont be a problem for the consumer. Servers will have 8 channels available (or more depending on configuration) so the argument is not valid there either.

Yeah, too bad that this only covers the manufacturing costs.

Notice how new tech is always overpriced and the ones having the advantage also overprice their components (ie: Intel).

Also, 3d stacked or not, 4 DIMMs are 4 DIMMs. Compare that to LGA2011s capability for 12 DIMMs and decide what feels more like something falling to the "high end" side of things. tongue.gif

I'll let the dual channel bottleneck be covered by those reviews who tested quad cfx/sli with PCIe 3.0 cards on x79 and the rest platforms... or maybe those who use a few SAS cards... or those with a few PCIe SSDs. Ahh, the choices. ;p
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