Overclock.net › Forums › Cooling › Water Cooling › Successful delid of my 4670K! Awesome temps (relatively!)
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

Successful delid of my 4670K! Awesome temps (relatively!) - Page 3

post #21 of 85
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by $ilent View Post

Hmm got any pictures of how your loop looks in your pc? Im not an expert, but if it was me id put one of the rads after the gpu, then have that rad to go cpu then onto the next rad, I cant see the water temperature getting much cooler in going from one rad straight to another before hitting another heat component.

Also I just realised....Do you not have any cool labs or liquid metal for use on the die? The liquid metal works best on die as apposed to paste's.

No I would like to keep using Gelid GC on the die so that I do not have to worry about using an electrically conductive TIM. I thought that it didn't matter one way or another what you used? Since I use it right on my die it works just as well as GC on the IHS assuming the IHS is soldered. There is no reason that should not be true.

However I might have put too much on. I just put the thinnest line down the middle that I possibly could. I have already reseated it a few times to find the right amount of TIM but it is actually very difficult to only use the right amount out of the tube. It wants to put way more on than I want it to lol.
Quote:
Originally Posted by d00bzilla View Post

Ya that's why I ordered the CLU to go on the die and regular paste to go between IHS and block. I've also read that it's very easy to use to much TIM when going D2D which could also be raise temps. I think step 1 should be to reapply TIM and reseat the block to see if it was just a bad mount.

I could do that.
Quote:
Originally Posted by $ilent View Post

The application of TIM on the die is VERY important when it comes to temps. Too much or too little and it produces horrible results, but a good amount of TIM and a good mount of a waterblock can produce amazing results:




P.S, ignore the core clock, its at 4.7ghz but at idle. Realtemp doesnt play ball with 3770k and speedstep, c1e etc. If you need any assistance I can make a few picture on here how I mounted my ihs, amount of TIM etc cobra.

I could use some help I think. Once I take my block off there is some TIM that spilled around the die so I know I overapplicated.

EDIT: I've also read that it does not matter what loop order you use quite a bit and I would prefer not to run my tubes again. I have a pic of my rig in my sig. smile.gif

Also with the pump being on the highest setting I have to think that the water is moving fast enough over the blocks that it doesn't have enough time to be significantly hotter right after the GPU as it would be anywhere else in the loop. I mean, a little "square" of water that is going to be in my CPU block probably moves in and out of the block in less than half a second. Not nearly enough time to make a significant difference in overall temps. Although technically it is not optimal.

Do you think there might be a blockage in my CPU block? My GPU idles at 18C and under full load it only gets up to about 29C. No overclock yet though. I can't imagine the heat it makes is causing my CPU to heat up so much.
Edited by hfcobra - 3/30/14 at 9:36am
Dream Machine
(21 items)
 
 
My laptop
(10 items)
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel i7 4790K ASUS Maximus VI Hero EVGA GTX780Ti 16GB G.Skill Trident X 
Hard DriveCoolingCoolingCooling
Samsung EVO 500GB EK Supremacy EK GTX780Ti block Alphacool NexXxoS XT45 420 
CoolingCoolingOSMonitor
Alphacool NexXxoS UT60 280 x8 Noctua NF-A14 PWM fans Windows 10 64-bit BenQ XL2430T 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
BenQ XL2420T Realforce Tenkeyless 45g Corsair AX860i Corsair 750D 
MouseMouse PadAudio
Logitech G Pro Logitech G640 Sennheiser Game One 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Core i7 920 D0 @ 4.2GHz Gigabyte GA-X58A-UD3R rev. 2 EVGA GeForce GTX 580 6GB DDR3 OCZ Platinum @ 1600 6-8-6-24 1T 
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingOS
Crucial C300 Samsung HDD Noctua NH-D14 with 3 NF-P14 fans Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
BenQ XL2420T Realforce 87UB Corsair HX850W HAF-X 
MouseMouse PadAudio
Zowie FK Artisan Hayate ASUS Xonar Essence STX 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel 3610QM N56VZ NVIDIA GT650M 2GB 8GB 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSKeyboard
Samsung 830 256GB Fancy Blu-Ray burner Windows 64-bit backlit 
PowerMouse Pad
battery or wall yes 
  hide details  
Reply
Dream Machine
(21 items)
 
 
My laptop
(10 items)
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel i7 4790K ASUS Maximus VI Hero EVGA GTX780Ti 16GB G.Skill Trident X 
Hard DriveCoolingCoolingCooling
Samsung EVO 500GB EK Supremacy EK GTX780Ti block Alphacool NexXxoS XT45 420 
CoolingCoolingOSMonitor
Alphacool NexXxoS UT60 280 x8 Noctua NF-A14 PWM fans Windows 10 64-bit BenQ XL2430T 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
BenQ XL2420T Realforce Tenkeyless 45g Corsair AX860i Corsair 750D 
MouseMouse PadAudio
Logitech G Pro Logitech G640 Sennheiser Game One 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Core i7 920 D0 @ 4.2GHz Gigabyte GA-X58A-UD3R rev. 2 EVGA GeForce GTX 580 6GB DDR3 OCZ Platinum @ 1600 6-8-6-24 1T 
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingOS
Crucial C300 Samsung HDD Noctua NH-D14 with 3 NF-P14 fans Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
BenQ XL2420T Realforce 87UB Corsair HX850W HAF-X 
MouseMouse PadAudio
Zowie FK Artisan Hayate ASUS Xonar Essence STX 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel 3610QM N56VZ NVIDIA GT650M 2GB 8GB 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSKeyboard
Samsung 830 256GB Fancy Blu-Ray burner Windows 64-bit backlit 
PowerMouse Pad
battery or wall yes 
  hide details  
Reply
post #22 of 85
too much paste and pump set too high. vcore too high is probably the final step in the too hot process.

did you flush everything out REAL good before you assembled your loop?
w00t
(18 items)
 
   
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
ph2 x20be asus m4a785-m sapphire vapor-x 4850  geil black dragon 1066 5-5-5-15-20 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
wd  asus dvd multi-write arctic cooling freezer 64 pro win 7 ultimate x64 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
samsung 42" lcd logitech wireless antec basic 500watt old dell crap 
MouseAudio
logitech wireless pioneer 7.1 
  hide details  
Reply
w00t
(18 items)
 
   
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
ph2 x20be asus m4a785-m sapphire vapor-x 4850  geil black dragon 1066 5-5-5-15-20 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
wd  asus dvd multi-write arctic cooling freezer 64 pro win 7 ultimate x64 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
samsung 42" lcd logitech wireless antec basic 500watt old dell crap 
MouseAudio
logitech wireless pioneer 7.1 
  hide details  
Reply
post #23 of 85
Quote:
Originally Posted by hfcobra View Post

I could use some help I think. Once I take my block off there is some TIM that spilled around the die so I know I overapplicated.

TIM spilled over sounds like youve too much to me, which would explain why your cpu is inexplicably hot when compared to your gpu. Gimme 5 minutes I will explain how I got best results with TIM application.
post #24 of 85
Ok, this is from a quick guide I made on how to get even temperatures across the board with 3770k, bare in mind its using cool labs liquid pro though, it details tim application and waterblock installation:

First things first is the amount of thermal paste to use on the actual cpu die. I used Coollabs Liquid pro on the cpu die. I used a q tip to spread a small rice sized amount of paste on the die, spread it out evenly and remove any excess using a spare q tip. The key to knowing if you use the right amount is for the cpu die to have a thin, evenly spread amount of thermal compound on.

Next use another q tip and apply a small amount of coollabs thermal compound on the underside of the integrated heat spreader (IHS) again use about a rice sized blob. Now spread this out on the underside of the IHS using the q tip and make it so that its the same shape as the cpu die below. Obviously make sure you align the cpu die with the die shape thermal paste IHS. This ensures good contact and really, really helps temps for some reason. I have tested with different amounts of paste on the die and used none on the underside of the IHS and using the above method works best for me. NOTE: Make sure you dont put too much thermal paste on that it spills over the sides, especially with the 4770k considering there are capacitors? on the actual pcb next to the die. I have only used this method on a 3770k and I can not guarantee nor vouch for the results on Haswell. Haswell owners use this guide at your own risk!

Then using the Gelid GC-Extreme paste I drew a small line across the IHS, again so that it aligns with where the actual cpu die is underneath the IHS. Then I applied my cpu waterblock. The instructions recommend you only screw in the nuts by hand, and do 2 nuts at a time, corner to corner. I screw in two nuts a little, and then go to the opposite corner a little, then screw each corner working diagonally until all 4 waterblock nuts are in as tight as they go by hand.
post #25 of 85
I'll try this guide when my CLU gets here and I'll let you know how it works on a 4670k
Nighthawk
(14 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i5 4670K @ 4.6Ghz ASRock z87 Extreme4 PNY GTX 780 Corsair Vengeance 16GB DDR3 @ 1600Mhz 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveOptical Drive
Crucial m500 480GB SSD Western digital 300gb raptor Samsung 1tb hard drive LG WH14NS40 14X Blu-Ray Burner 
CoolingCoolingPowerCase
XSPC Raystorm EX240 Kit XSPC Razor GTX 780 Waterblock Corsair RM750 Antec P280 
MouseAudio
Logitech G602 Wireless Gaming Mouse Air-Fi Venture AF52 Stereo Bluetooth® Wireless ... 
  hide details  
Reply
Nighthawk
(14 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i5 4670K @ 4.6Ghz ASRock z87 Extreme4 PNY GTX 780 Corsair Vengeance 16GB DDR3 @ 1600Mhz 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveOptical Drive
Crucial m500 480GB SSD Western digital 300gb raptor Samsung 1tb hard drive LG WH14NS40 14X Blu-Ray Burner 
CoolingCoolingPowerCase
XSPC Raystorm EX240 Kit XSPC Razor GTX 780 Waterblock Corsair RM750 Antec P280 
MouseAudio
Logitech G602 Wireless Gaming Mouse Air-Fi Venture AF52 Stereo Bluetooth® Wireless ... 
  hide details  
Reply
post #26 of 85
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pc-illiterate View Post

too much paste and pump set too high. vcore too high is probably the final step in the too hot process.

did you flush everything out REAL good before you assembled your loop?

I do not see how setting the pump too high can lower your temps though. Could you expain?

When I first set up my loop there was some white stuff that made the water murky. I could not see any actual particles in the water though. So I flushed the system with DI, filled with 50/50 DI/Vinegar, ran for 2 hours, rinsed 3 times with DI, then filled with DI and Mayhems X1. I think that it should be very clean.

EDIT: Also, remember that my GPU's temps are fine. So anything that affects both the GPU and CPU cannot be the problem.
Quote:
Originally Posted by $ilent View Post

Ok, this is from a quick guide I made on how to get even temperatures across the board with 3770k, bare in mind its using cool labs liquid pro though, it details tim application and waterblock installation:

First things first is the amount of thermal paste to use on the actual cpu die. I used Coollabs Liquid pro on the cpu die. I used a q tip to spread a small rice sized amount of paste on the die, spread it out evenly and remove any excess using a spare q tip. The key to knowing if you use the right amount is for the cpu die to have a thin, evenly spread amount of thermal compound on.

Next use another q tip and apply a small amount of coollabs thermal compound on the underside of the integrated heat spreader (IHS) again use about a rice sized blob. Now spread this out on the underside of the IHS using the q tip and make it so that its the same shape as the cpu die below. Obviously make sure you align the cpu die with the die shape thermal paste IHS. This ensures good contact and really, really helps temps for some reason. I have tested with different amounts of paste on the die and used none on the underside of the IHS and using the above method works best for me. NOTE: Make sure you dont put too much thermal paste on that it spills over the sides, especially with the 4770k considering there are capacitors? on the actual pcb next to the die. I have only used this method on a 3770k and I can not guarantee nor vouch for the results on Haswell. Haswell owners use this guide at your own risk!

Then using the Gelid GC-Extreme paste I drew a small line across the IHS, again so that it aligns with where the actual cpu die is underneath the IHS. Then I applied my cpu waterblock. The instructions recommend you only screw in the nuts by hand, and do 2 nuts at a time, corner to corner. I screw in two nuts a little, and then go to the opposite corner a little, then screw each corner working diagonally until all 4 waterblock nuts are in as tight as they go by hand.

Alright I think that I will try to reapply thermal paste sometime later today. Hopefully that is the problem because I don't know what else it could be honestly. frown.gif
Edited by hfcobra - 3/30/14 at 12:18pm
Dream Machine
(21 items)
 
 
My laptop
(10 items)
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel i7 4790K ASUS Maximus VI Hero EVGA GTX780Ti 16GB G.Skill Trident X 
Hard DriveCoolingCoolingCooling
Samsung EVO 500GB EK Supremacy EK GTX780Ti block Alphacool NexXxoS XT45 420 
CoolingCoolingOSMonitor
Alphacool NexXxoS UT60 280 x8 Noctua NF-A14 PWM fans Windows 10 64-bit BenQ XL2430T 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
BenQ XL2420T Realforce Tenkeyless 45g Corsair AX860i Corsair 750D 
MouseMouse PadAudio
Logitech G Pro Logitech G640 Sennheiser Game One 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Core i7 920 D0 @ 4.2GHz Gigabyte GA-X58A-UD3R rev. 2 EVGA GeForce GTX 580 6GB DDR3 OCZ Platinum @ 1600 6-8-6-24 1T 
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingOS
Crucial C300 Samsung HDD Noctua NH-D14 with 3 NF-P14 fans Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
BenQ XL2420T Realforce 87UB Corsair HX850W HAF-X 
MouseMouse PadAudio
Zowie FK Artisan Hayate ASUS Xonar Essence STX 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel 3610QM N56VZ NVIDIA GT650M 2GB 8GB 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSKeyboard
Samsung 830 256GB Fancy Blu-Ray burner Windows 64-bit backlit 
PowerMouse Pad
battery or wall yes 
  hide details  
Reply
Dream Machine
(21 items)
 
 
My laptop
(10 items)
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel i7 4790K ASUS Maximus VI Hero EVGA GTX780Ti 16GB G.Skill Trident X 
Hard DriveCoolingCoolingCooling
Samsung EVO 500GB EK Supremacy EK GTX780Ti block Alphacool NexXxoS XT45 420 
CoolingCoolingOSMonitor
Alphacool NexXxoS UT60 280 x8 Noctua NF-A14 PWM fans Windows 10 64-bit BenQ XL2430T 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
BenQ XL2420T Realforce Tenkeyless 45g Corsair AX860i Corsair 750D 
MouseMouse PadAudio
Logitech G Pro Logitech G640 Sennheiser Game One 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Core i7 920 D0 @ 4.2GHz Gigabyte GA-X58A-UD3R rev. 2 EVGA GeForce GTX 580 6GB DDR3 OCZ Platinum @ 1600 6-8-6-24 1T 
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingOS
Crucial C300 Samsung HDD Noctua NH-D14 with 3 NF-P14 fans Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
BenQ XL2420T Realforce 87UB Corsair HX850W HAF-X 
MouseMouse PadAudio
Zowie FK Artisan Hayate ASUS Xonar Essence STX 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel 3610QM N56VZ NVIDIA GT650M 2GB 8GB 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSKeyboard
Samsung 830 256GB Fancy Blu-Ray burner Windows 64-bit backlit 
PowerMouse Pad
battery or wall yes 
  hide details  
Reply
post #27 of 85
It's possible to move water through a radiator so fast that it doesn't have enough time to effectively transfer it's heat.
Nighthawk
(14 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i5 4670K @ 4.6Ghz ASRock z87 Extreme4 PNY GTX 780 Corsair Vengeance 16GB DDR3 @ 1600Mhz 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveOptical Drive
Crucial m500 480GB SSD Western digital 300gb raptor Samsung 1tb hard drive LG WH14NS40 14X Blu-Ray Burner 
CoolingCoolingPowerCase
XSPC Raystorm EX240 Kit XSPC Razor GTX 780 Waterblock Corsair RM750 Antec P280 
MouseAudio
Logitech G602 Wireless Gaming Mouse Air-Fi Venture AF52 Stereo Bluetooth® Wireless ... 
  hide details  
Reply
Nighthawk
(14 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i5 4670K @ 4.6Ghz ASRock z87 Extreme4 PNY GTX 780 Corsair Vengeance 16GB DDR3 @ 1600Mhz 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveOptical Drive
Crucial m500 480GB SSD Western digital 300gb raptor Samsung 1tb hard drive LG WH14NS40 14X Blu-Ray Burner 
CoolingCoolingPowerCase
XSPC Raystorm EX240 Kit XSPC Razor GTX 780 Waterblock Corsair RM750 Antec P280 
MouseAudio
Logitech G602 Wireless Gaming Mouse Air-Fi Venture AF52 Stereo Bluetooth® Wireless ... 
  hide details  
Reply
post #28 of 85
Quote:
Originally Posted by d00bzilla View Post

It's possible to move water through a radiator so fast that it doesn't have enough time to effectively transfer it's heat.

That is false.
If you have a loop with a total of, let's say, 4 liters of coolant.
And if your rad contains 1 liter of coolant.
Than each and every molecule of water will spend 25% of it's time in the rad.
If you double your flow, the water will spend half as much time in your rad, but it also goes through your rad twice as often.
So no matter your flow rate, in a hour, the water will always spend 15 minutes inside the rad, and 45 minutes outside the rad.

What's important about flow is that the water flows fast enough to create turbulence in the block's fin matrix. Not enough flow, and the water will travel in the block in a laminar way.
For most, a flow of 1 gpm (4 l/min) is sufficient to achieve this.

You can try to increase your flow above 1.5 gpm. But in general, the performance gain is too small and will be ofset by the extra heat dump of the pump into your loop.

So I say aim for a flow between 1 and 1.5 gpm.
Edited by PepeLapiu - 3/30/14 at 1:19pm
Dark Vader
(6 items)
 
  
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
39 X AP-45 2150 rpm Gentle Typhoon fans Lamptron CW611 FrozenQ Dual Bay Reservoir 2x XT45 480. 1x UT60 480 ~ 1x UT60 360 ~ 1x UT... 
OSCase
Linux Ubuntu CaseLabs STH10 
  hide details  
Reply
Dark Vader
(6 items)
 
  
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
39 X AP-45 2150 rpm Gentle Typhoon fans Lamptron CW611 FrozenQ Dual Bay Reservoir 2x XT45 480. 1x UT60 480 ~ 1x UT60 360 ~ 1x UT... 
OSCase
Linux Ubuntu CaseLabs STH10 
  hide details  
Reply
post #29 of 85
I think the only way your temps could be bad from running the pump too high is if there is air in the loop and it doesnt have enough time to leave when passing through the res.
post #30 of 85
Quote:
Originally Posted by PepeLapiu View Post

That is false.
If you have a loop with a total of, let's say, 4 liters of coolant.
And if your rad contains 1 liter of coolant.
Than each and every molecule of water will spend 25% of it's time in the rad.
If you double your flow, the water will spend half as much time in your rad, but it also goes through your rad twice as often.
So no matter your flow rate, in a hour, the water will always spend 15 minutes inside the rad, and 45 minutes outside the rad.

What's important about flow is that the water flows fast enough to create turbulence in the block's fin matrix. Not enough flow, and the water will travel in the block in a laminar way.
For most, a flow of 1 gpm (4 l/min) is sufficient to achieve this.

You can try to increase your flow above 1.5 gpm. But in general, the performance gain is too small and will be ofset by the extra heat dump of the pump into your loop.

So I say aim for a flow between 1 and 1.5 gpm.


http://www.overclockers.com/radiator-heat-dissipation-testing/

I believe you are oversimplifying a very complex scenario. As these test results show it is possible to have an optimal flow rate depending on the rad. Not to mention that a pump running full speed introduces more heat than the same pump running slower.
Edited by d00bzilla - 3/30/14 at 2:21pm
Nighthawk
(14 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i5 4670K @ 4.6Ghz ASRock z87 Extreme4 PNY GTX 780 Corsair Vengeance 16GB DDR3 @ 1600Mhz 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveOptical Drive
Crucial m500 480GB SSD Western digital 300gb raptor Samsung 1tb hard drive LG WH14NS40 14X Blu-Ray Burner 
CoolingCoolingPowerCase
XSPC Raystorm EX240 Kit XSPC Razor GTX 780 Waterblock Corsair RM750 Antec P280 
MouseAudio
Logitech G602 Wireless Gaming Mouse Air-Fi Venture AF52 Stereo Bluetooth® Wireless ... 
  hide details  
Reply
Nighthawk
(14 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i5 4670K @ 4.6Ghz ASRock z87 Extreme4 PNY GTX 780 Corsair Vengeance 16GB DDR3 @ 1600Mhz 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveOptical Drive
Crucial m500 480GB SSD Western digital 300gb raptor Samsung 1tb hard drive LG WH14NS40 14X Blu-Ray Burner 
CoolingCoolingPowerCase
XSPC Raystorm EX240 Kit XSPC Razor GTX 780 Waterblock Corsair RM750 Antec P280 
MouseAudio
Logitech G602 Wireless Gaming Mouse Air-Fi Venture AF52 Stereo Bluetooth® Wireless ... 
  hide details  
Reply
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Water Cooling
Overclock.net › Forums › Cooling › Water Cooling › Successful delid of my 4670K! Awesome temps (relatively!)