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Hello,

I am in the process of planning out my first Liquid Cooled build. I'm going with an internal layout, and I am open to any and all advice or criticism. I have a few specific questions, but for the most part, I only have a very basic idea of what I'm doing and how I should go about doing it. I'll be using any advice to put together my parts list and I am very flexible and willing to change things.

Case will be a Windowed Shinobi XL (http://www.bitfenix.com/global/en/products/chassis/shinobi-window-xl#overview)
Here is the build plan that I have so far (designed on Office VISIO):
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/8ptj8693fuwoixe/PC%20Cooling%20Layout.jpg)
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Issues due to inexperience:

1. I'm not completely sure that I will be able to place the 240mm Radiator on the front vent. According to the specs I can put up to 3 120mm fans, but I'm pretty sure that requires removing the 5.25" Bay, which I'm using to stack my Hard Drive in. I do think I've seen some Shinobi XL cases that have them though. If I can't fit it there, I'll have to place it on the bottom vent and mount the pump to the bottom of the 5.25" Bay.

2. I have no idea how much pump power or radiator volume I need for this build, and would really appreciate some advice on this.

3. I've seen lots of people link their GPU's like I've shown in the diagram. Seems like it's just two connectors and a short piece of hose between them. Am I missing something here?

4. I placed the reservoir as I did, because I saw it done on a couple of builds. I think it would be awesome for the res to be viewable from the window already built, but I could consider moving it and cutting a custom window if this is a bad placement for any reason. That's just a lot more work.

5. Any recommendation for starter kits that would be effective for this build.

I will take into account ANY recommendation. Thank you all for taking the time to look over my build!

Complete Build (Power Cooler GPU's are Pre-Water Blocked):
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i7-4930K 3.4GHz 6-Core Processor ($565.98 @ Amazon)
Thermal Compound: Arctic Cooling MX2 30g Thermal Paste ($23.23 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Asus Sabertooth X79 ATX LGA2011 Motherboard ($310.98 @ Amazon)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance Pro 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR3-2133 Memory ($350.98 @ Newegg)
Storage: Crucial M500 480GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($219.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($84.81 @ Amazon)
Video Card: PowerColor Radeon R9 290X 4GB Video Card (2-Way CrossFire) ($749.00)
Video Card: PowerColor Radeon R9 290X 4GB Video Card (2-Way CrossFire) ($749.00)
Case: BitFenix Shinobi XL Window (White) ATX Full Tower Case ($199.97 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Thermaltake Toughpower XT 1275W 80+ Platinum Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($249.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Asus BW-12B1ST/BLK/G/AS Blu-Ray/DVD/CD Writer ($46.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 Pro (OEM) (64-bit) ($133.00 @ Amazon)
Monitor: Crossover Black Tune 2755 AMG 60Hz 27.0" Monitor ($349.00)
Monitor: Crossover Black Tune 2755 AMG 60Hz 27.0" Monitor ($349.00)
Monitor: Crossover Black Tune 2755 AMG 60Hz 27.0" Monitor ($349.99)
Total: $4731.91
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-03-28 18:26 EDT-0400)
Edited by Sizz0rHands - 3/28/14 at 3:58pm
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build plan link is not showing up, only case link
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Changed to dropbox, seems to work better. Sorry.
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Somewhat a self-bump here, but also, I've been doing TONS of research on liquid cooling. Read through the stickies, FAQ's, watched Daz Mode's videos which were great. In his last video he mentioned the rigid acrylic tubing that is being used, and that really appealed to me. I don't know why I didn't think if it before, considering I work on hydraulic systems at work all the time. We have the bending tools for steel piping there, and I would think that they would serve just fine for bending acrylic. I've already done this with steel pipe, so I'm re imagining my design.

With this enlightenment, I've also decided to slow down A LOT. I was originally thinking that I could plan this out in a few days and start ordering parts, but with recent discoveries, I feel like if I'm really trying to design the system of my dreams, what's the rush? The only thing that can happen is that technology will advance and I'll get better parts, or the prices of these will go down. I would still really appreciate anyone's input, but just to start, I've already answered some of my own questions.
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1. I'm not completely sure that I will be able to place the 240mm Radiator on the front vent. According to the specs I can put up to 3 120mm fans, but I'm pretty sure that requires removing the 5.25" Bay, which I'm using to stack my Hard Drive in. I do think I've seen some Shinobi XL cases that have them though. If I can't fit it there, I'll have to place it on the bottom vent and mount the pump to the bottom of the 5.25" Bay.

2. I have no idea how much pump power or radiator volume I need for this build, and would really appreciate some advice on this.

3. I've seen lots of people link their GPU's like I've shown in the diagram. Seems like it's just two connectors and a short piece of hose between them. Am I missing something here?

4. I placed the reservoir as I did, because I saw it done on a couple of builds. I think it would be awesome for the res to be viewable from the window already built, but I could consider moving it and cutting a custom window if this is a bad placement for any reason. That's just a lot more work.

5. Any recommendation for starter kits that would be effective for this build.
1. http://www.overclock.net/t/1277048/build-log-arrival-shinobi-xl-white-full-loop This Build Log has been a huge help to me, and I see that he had to cut out the bottom of the 5.25" Drive Bay. This isn't a problem for me, I have a dremel on hand, so that clears that up.

2. So far I've come down to buying a MCP35X2 Dual. I calculated ~4.8 psi drop minimum from some articles I ready through the sticky, and I THINK that would put 1 of these close to running 70-100%. I would really rather the system be as quite as reasonably possible, so running the dual will give me more power so I can regulate down, and give me redundancy.

3. Found the premade SLI connectors that are used for this, however, I'm open to other suggestions. Using the Asus Sabertooth 79X I have 2 slots between the two cards. Seems like I could still use a short piece of tubing and fittings. Is this accurate, or is it going to simply end up being more expensive.

4. I could still use a little advice on this, but with what I have in mind, I still think this is a good plan. Just have to try to get the rigid tubing to line up straight down from the Top Radiator, then run the tube to the Pump straight down and over to the pump.

5. Starter kits are officially out the window. If I take my time putting together a plan, and maybe get some good advice here, I'm confident I can rig this up exactly how I want, even if it is my first build.
post #5 of 30
the best thing you figured out is slow down and take your time. the best thing you did was research. you should be fine as long as you ask questions when you have them.
acrylic-pipebending-101

what blocks are you planning to use? and what rads?
you can use a simple sli connector or go full-on terminal. the difference is looks and cost.

im sure others will stop in soon enough with more advice and ideas. we just need to know more.
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Thermaltake PSU's are junk. My favorites are Enermax, or Corsair.

For radiator, go as thick as you can allowing for push/pull.
If you can't fit push/pull, I recommend a rad no thicker than 30mm.
And best rads you can get are the Alphacool line.
Best performers, screw protectors, all copper build, multiple port options on thicker rads, draon ports on most....

Both rads should pull air in, or push air out. Otherwise you are recycling air from one rad to the other, and loosing most of their efficiency that way. So I suggest both rads pushing air out in your case.

Your planned build looks good to me. thumb.gif

And consider getting Nvidia VGA's instead. They don't get as hot and perform much better.

But I'm an Intel/Nvidia fanboi so .....


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with good fans an alphacool xt45 performs awesomely in just push. multiport option on all though the st30 only has 4 ports not 6. the ut60 and monsta have the 'drain' port on the opposite end tank.
definitely want both rads set to intake.
actually amd is the better card right now. nvidia supposedly has a driver under review and construction that boosts performance considerably in some games.

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/nvidia-driver-update-direct3d-optimization,26381.html
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the best thing you figured out is slow down and take your time. the best thing you did was research. you should be fine as long as you ask questions when you have them.
acrylic-pipebending-101

what blocks are you planning to use? and what rads?
you can use a simple sli connector or go full-on terminal. the difference is looks and cost.

im sure others will stop in soon enough with more advice and ideas. we just need to know more.

Made up a new Drawing! The color placements are pretty accurate so far, but there's still plenty of tweaking to do on the design front. Green cabling as well.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/bmumem2pw3wgqav/PC%20Cooling%20Layout_Rigid.png

I'm going with both Alphacool Radiators. The 240mm will the the Monsta with push pull. I'm still debating on the block, but I wanted to go with a HEATKILLER LT white. It's both cost effective, and the white fits really well with the overall theme. Still open to opinions here. The only other blocks are the GPU's and they are pre-installed through PowerCool. I'm taking advantage of the fact that they provide them with the warranty still in place.

The Thermaltake was more of a place holder for the time being. I want to figure out how to do all that nifty sleeving. I do plenty of cabling at work. Building Amphanol circular connectors, so I'm no stranger to electronics. I'll almost certainly go with a Corsair or Seasonic by the time it's over. I decided to go with the 290x's based on cost effectiveness, because I originally considered Titan Blacks, and because the 290's and 290x's performed better than the 780's in dual-GPU configuration. They also don't need x-fire cables.. Bonus! :-)

I also thought they should both be intake, both for radiator performance, and to maintain positive chassis pressure. However, the build in the link from the previous post had it as exhaust and the 120mm on the back as intake. Thought it seemed strange.

I have a pretty good grasp on the hydraulic side of things to get started I think. The next thing for me to do is start studying up on wire management terminals for all those fans, and sleeving my wires. Still considering if I'm going to make the sleeves UV reactive or not. UV builds all seem kind of disco to me, haha. Hopefully I can put together a build log for this once I get it all up and going. Also, would it be safe to put stickers or decals on the black chipset enclosures on the Sabertooth Motherboard?

Still can't figure out how to embed pictures on here unfortunately. :-(
Edited by Sizz0rHands - 3/29/14 at 10:56pm
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Yeah, seasonic in an other good vrand of PSU's.

And heatkiller are good blocks too.
Looks to me you are doing your homework.

Making us feel useless here buddy. biggrin.gif
And I can tell you will get the wet bug easily.
I garanty you will never buy an other air sink again.
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let me be a jerk
stickers? decals? seriously? are we going to rice up our nice new pc?

to put a pic in your post, see the mountains and sun 'pic' above the post box? its right between the 'movie clip' and the 'paperclip'
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