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I think 1440p is the highest res mobile cast-off these guys will be able to find. 4K in a 2014 HMD would demand a custom screen, and Oculus are the only ones with that kind of money (not that they'll use it for a 4K screen).

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No shame in trying the ride the coat tails of Oculus. Riding coat tails can be very a lucrative proposition.
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I think 1440p is the highest res mobile cast-off these guys will be able to find. 4K in a 2014 HMD would demand a custom screen, and Oculus are the only ones with that kind of money (not that they'll use it for a 4K screen).

With 4K being the "next great thing" there might be one when they release sometime next year. We'll see. Although if they keep using HDMI they can't use 4K bcos it does not have enough bandwidth to run 4K at high enough refresh rate for VR.
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With 4K being the "next great thing" there might be one when they release sometime next year. We'll see. Although if they keep using HDMI they can't use 4K bcos it does not have enough bandwidth to run 4K at high enough refresh rate for VR.

Then i guess they'll have to switch to display port? lol
    
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I highly doubt the Oculus team, or any other VR player for that matter, is going to use 4K screens for CV1. The money they have is much better suited elsewhere, like getting high quality 1440p screens at the form factor they want, hiring more personnel for both R&D and other concerns of releasing a consumer device, ticking more of the items in their wishlist, etc.

They also mentioned they're also not gonna release variants for CV1, and 1440p just seems like the best balance between what VR needs and what present gaming hardware can run. That would be 1440p at 90fps, which will need either R9 290/X or GTX 780/Ti, or multi-GPU configs that most non-extreme enthusiasts would likely prefer to avoid.

CV2 will probably see multiple product variants when it comes out 1-2 years after CV1, and I can very easily imagine 1440p becoming the base model at that time once more mainstream cards at that time will be more capable of running it, with a top-end 4K version, and maybe a mid-end version if CV1 becomes particularly profitable.

On the other hand, those front-facing cameras really get me excited. =) It wouldn't exactly fit with Oculus' goal of perfecting seated gaming, but the mere ability of being able to see the real world without having to break immersion by taking the Rift off your face is a highly appealing feature. Hoping some of that $400M in cash can get that into CV1, even if it ends up just being 720p cameras (which would incur no scaling penalty anyway if displaying on a 1440p screen), as long as it can capture at 90fps with minimal motion blur.
     
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Then i guess they'll have to switch to display port? lol

On a sidenote, I really hope DP becomes more popular with the rise of VR. I mean, I'm cool with HDMI and all, but it's just hard to think of a use case where it has a decided advantage over the former, and DP does everything HDMI does better tongue.gif (Not sure about latency, though, so don't quote me on that)
     
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Then i guess they'll have to switch to display port? lol

It would be really great if they would be able to at least add displayport support (it should be in essence pretty trivial as almost all "mobile" screens nowadays are internally using eDP standard which can take a DP signal straight from the GFX card in PC without any issues, just would have to drive backlight somehow separately, granted dont know what OLED are doing in that regard as I'm not familiar with these). However, if they would just straight out switch to DP they would no longer be able to support consoles as consoles have only the HDMI 1.4a output atm. Second issue might be that giving DP signal straight to screens would probably bypass their internal circuitry they are so happy with apparently.

So while I hope they would take up DP support I'm not holding my breath over it. Being optimistic what they might do, if they get cheap enough 4K screens is supporting 1080p signal at good enough refresh rate and upscaling it inside the headset to 4K screen. Also note that even the latest generation consoles do not support gaming on 4K resolutions, while they can put out 4K signal it's limited strictly to media consumption as far as I understood the current gen consoles tech specs. Which is a pity bcos 7870 (which is roughly whats in PS4) certainly is capable of driving simpler games at 4K resolution without any major issues, especially considering that it would be limited to 30 Hz max at 4K bcos of havinng only HDMI 1.4a.
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They also mentioned they're also not gonna release variants for CV1, and 1440p just seems like the best balance between what VR needs and what present gaming hardware can run. That would be 1440p at 90fps, which will need either R9 290/X or GTX 780/Ti, or multi-GPU configs that most non-extreme enthusiasts would likely prefer to avoid.

Would absolutely have to be dual gpu at 90 fps. Powerful cpu as well. No single gpu can run crysis 3 anywhere near 90 frames even at 1080 never mind 1440. And thats now. How about future games like star citizen and more by the time the OR releases.

Plus we're needing MIN 90 frames not average. That makes the power requirement even far far higher.
    
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Do 4k screens even exist at the size necessary? I dont think they do and that was part of the reason for facebook acquiring OR. Need a lot of money to engineer screens (such as 4k ones i suppose) specially designed for VR.

at the moment the highest is 1440p but i heard a rumour that LG had made a 4k demo version. In the end the technology does exist for specific application but as you said money might be the show stopper.

perhaps a dual 1440p ?
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DP 1.3 would get us 4K @90Hz, but they need the connector to work on most of their consumer base.

 

With that in mind I feel we may end up with HDMI, since most laptops have that, and 1440p. 1440p is a good balance since it has a very low screen door effect, and laptop gamers can simply use 720p low quality settings and not have to worry about scaling, whereas people with beefier rigs can run @ native resolution, maybe with the settings turned down a bit, or a lot for AAA games.

 

My hope is simulating virtual reality will give everything a massive push - better hardware to hit the very high framerates required, and better audio to simulate the environment. Display tech needs to get better/cheaper, and I'd also quite like the ray-tracing chips Imagination revealed to be integrated into GPUs.

 

Edit: Oculus did say that single screen was easier. Ideally we could have something with a 2:1 aspect ratio (ish) since each eye could get a square screen (effectively).

 

A single screen also means you can avoid the pain of trying to sync the screens perfectly.


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