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I started on Linux Mint and found the transition from windows to mint to be relatively pain free. There is a bit of a learning curve but you'll get through it quickly and just realise that not everything you have in windows will necessarily work on linux or have an equal counterpart.
Do you think this is true even for Mint's LTS version (13)?

Apparently the stability with Maya vs 13.04 boils down to the user. If you update only the core packages that you need, and don't rely on too many third party apps, they would be the roughly the same.
Mint releases updates earlier than Ubuntu; meaning it will fix broken packages and clog up any security leaks but that same update may cause system instability (e.g. memory leaks, broken dep linking). Canonical on the other hand, tends to be very conservative when it comes to updates for it's server versions, but that could also be a bad thing. Meaning it's stable but could have a security loophole for weeks before an update comes up.

If you're cool with Mint, I'd say stick with it. As for my previous comment, I was simply addressing all the unnecessary bashing that Ubuntu gets.
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I just can't stand Unity. It's slow and ugly. All my Ubuntu needs are done through Linux Mint.

Unity isn't as slow as it used to be and they've refined it pretty well over the years. Ubuntu has extra stability and refinement with it's LTS versions that Linux Mint can't match.

Mint is based on Ubuntu and will receive an LTS based on 14. Many people consider Mint more sophisticated than Ubuntu. You're not getting any super special with either one just on companies and one teams take on what Linux ought to be.

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Mint is based on Ubuntu and will receive an LTS based on 14. Many people consider Mint more sophisticated than Ubuntu. You're not getting any super special with either one just on companies and one teams take on what Linux ought to be.

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It's forked off from Ubuntu, but it doesn't make it the same and will without a shadow of a doubt run into different issue and have different capabilities because of the underlying software that makes up the OS. e.g. Ubuntu is not Debian. Also in which way is Mint more sophisticated? More features and updates? Cinnamon? Seems pretty subjective.
LTS is generally aimed for servers, and people who couldn't care less for new features, but still want updates to fix security issues and software bugs. You'll find Ubuntu is more suited to corporate environments, while Mint is a more home PC take.

Mint 13 with some Ubuntu PPAs != Ubuntu 12.04 (LTS)
Both sides support their own base of applications, desktop environments, patching and have different demographic targets.
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Mint is based on Ubuntu and will receive an LTS based on 14. Many people consider Mint more sophisticated than Ubuntu. You're not getting any super special with either one just on companies and one teams take on what Linux ought to be.

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It's forked off from Ubuntu, but it doesn't make it the same and will without a shadow of a doubt run into different issue and have different capabilities because of the underlying software that makes up the OS. e.g. Ubuntu is not Debian. Also in which way is Mint more sophisticated? More features and updates? Cinnamon? Seems pretty subjective.
LTS is generally aimed for servers, and people who couldn't care less for new features, but still want updates to fix security issues and software bugs. You'll find Ubuntu is more suited to corporate environments, while Mint is a more home PC take.

Mint 13 with some Ubuntu PPAs != Ubuntu 12.04 (LTS)
Both sides support their own base of applications, desktop environments, patching and have different demographic targets.

Mint and Ubuntu still share repositories and they still share a great deal of code. Mint changes the user land but that's really it I would imagine that will change in the future but as it stands now that is the only significant change they Mint doesn't include the Ubuntu Spyware.

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Only difference I see between current Mint and Ubuntu is Mint doesn't crash or otherwise error out every 10 minutes like Ubuntu does for me. I don't know if it's just unity or what but this thing is rock solid whereas Ubuntu is a crapshoot in my experience. Am curious if the LTS is any good in which case I may go back to Kubuntu instead.
 
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I just can't stand Unity. It's slow and ugly. All my Ubuntu needs are done through Linux Mint.

Same here. I abandoned Ubuntu when they decided to stick with Unity.

Mint + Mate is what I use.
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I've had a dual boot of Ubuntu on my laptop for a couple years now. Didn't use it often. Really disliked Unity but I used it for class. This 14.04 version of Unity is a lot better. It reminds me of the Windows 7 taskbar where as Cinnamon's taskbar is like Windows XP. You can now make the Unity launcher smaller. You can click the icons on the launcher to minimize now. Resizing windows happens in real time now rather than some outline that shows how big it will be then it resizing after you release the mouse click. You now have borderless windows. You can now set it so that there are locally integrated menus. No more having a smaller window on the bottom right and having to swing back to the top left to use them. I switched to Ubuntu after Cinnamon crashed on me and wouldn't work anymore so I used MATE for a while.

There are some things I definitely like better in Cinnamon. I like that in the right click menu in any folder, there would be an open folder in a terminal. Also in there was a show hidden files option. In Unity you have to go to the view settings for that. The right click menu when clicking on the white space in a folder is just so much better in Cinnamon. All there is in Unity is - new folder, new file , paste, properties. In Cinnamon you could change folder view settings - size, organization and show hidden files. When you right click a file and click open with, in Cinnamon there was an option to make it the default application. Unless I'm doing it wrong you have to go to the files properties in Ubuntu to change the default application. Also Ubuntu has the most annoying notifications I've ever used. They're these floating bubbles with no easy way to disable. You can't click on them to dismiss. If you hover over them they just become more translucent. Cinnamons notifications are a lot less intrusive. Also that Unity bar can be inconsistent with Source games. When playing in Borderless fullscreen windowed mode, sometimes the Unity launcher won't get in the way but more often it will get in the way and you'll have to fullscreen the game so the Unity launcher won't get in the way. Starcraft II Heart of the Swarm in Wine doesn't have this problem.
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Mint and Ubuntu still share repositories and they still share a great deal of code. Mint changes the user land but that's really it I would imagine that will change in the future

Exactly this. Mint pulls all "non-Mint" packages from Ubuntu's repo directly, therefore they have exactly the same software, bit for bit. They've recently moved the kernel into the Mint repos, along with the DE's and Mint apps, in order to maintain control and allow a bit of stability testing of new kernels before unleashing them - this is brand new though (only true since Mint 16).

Any of this "Mint is more/less stable than Ubuntu" is FUD - install a Mint DE like Cinnamon on Ubuntu, and they will be very similar. That said, just because Mint pull packages from the Ubuntu repos, doesn't mean they pull every package from the Ubuntu repo. There are some things that Ubuntu install by default that Mint don't install. Maybe this is what people are talking about, I dunno. But the libraries and Firefox and stuff like that are all exactly the same in both, and will be "updated" simulataneously (as they are the same single package)

Edit: Mint 17 will be an LTS release just like Ubuntu 14.04, and will be just as stable, for the reasons detailed above.
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