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Okay, so... I've got a friend, name's Frey, who doesn't really have a lot of cash to toss around...at all...

So I've decided to build him a machine on the cheap, already have the graphics card, and knowing him he'll just reuse the HDDs he has already.

Here's his current build:

Core 2 Duo E6700 @ 2.66GHz
Dell OEM motherboard of some kind
3GB RAM
80GB HDD
1.5TB External HDD
Radeon 4770
I THINK he has a 450w PSU? Dunno though.
Windows XP 32-bit



So yeah, here's the scoop. He needs an upgrade as this machine just does not cut it anymore. What's the best option for going about this? I'm not against used desktop parts at all, so long as they're in good condition. Obviously some things will need to be bought new, like the RAM for example, but that's okay.

I will need help from you guys on this.

CPU:
Motherboard:
RAM:
GPU: HD5850
PSU: Rosewill Capstone 450w

And it all needs to fit inside THIS thingy. biggrin.gif

Alrighty! Please help me help this guy out! ^___^
Edited by Imglidinhere - 3/29/14 at 1:05am
     
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post #2 of 21

For the PSU, I recommend the 450W Rosewill CAPSTONE:

 

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182066

 

It's $59.99 shipped, the same price as the comparatively crappy Corsair CX500:

 

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139027

 

The 450W Rosewill CAPSTONE is the cheapest recommendable PSU that I can find on Newegg that has 2 x 6-pin PCI-E connectors, which is what the HD 5850 needs. However, if he wouldn't mind using 1 Molex to PCI-E adapter, then he could get the 380W Antec Earthwatts (EA-380D) for $42.75 shipped:

 

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B002UOR17Y

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post #3 of 21
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TwoCables View Post

For the PSU, I recommend the 450W Rosewill CAPSTONE:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182066

It's $59.99 shipped, the same price as the comparatively crappy Corsair CX500:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139027

The 450W Rosewill CAPSTONE is the cheapest recommendable PSU that I can find on Newegg that has 2 x 6-pin PCI-E connectors, which is what the HD 5850 needs. However, if he wouldn't mind using 1 Molex to PCI-E adapter, then he could get the 380W Antec Earthwatts (EA-380D) for $42.75 shipped:

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B002UOR17Y

I've been checking out the PSUs of late and Rosewill, from what I remember, always did good by me. smile.gif

Now that we've got the PSU sorted (taking your advice on this one) we're onto the next part...whichever that may be... >.>
     
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post #4 of 21
Quote:
Originally Posted by Imglidinhere View Post


I've been checking out the PSUs of late and Rosewill, from what I remember, always did good by me. smile.gif

Now that we've got the PSU sorted (taking your advice on this one) we're onto the next part...whichever that may be... >.>

 

It's not the brand that matters, it's what's inside. Rosewill used the Super Flower Golden Green to create this one, but this doesn't mean that all of Rosewill's PSUs are good.

 

The rest depends on how much money he has to spend on this. Without knowing that, it's going to be difficult for anyone to recommend anything because everyone's interpretation of "who doesn't really have a lot of cash to toss around...at all..." can be quite different. Try to get a maximum dollar amount out of him.

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post #5 of 21
can we get budget and resolution please biggrin.gif

EDIT : oh and the purpose of the PC.
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post #6 of 21
Quote:
Originally Posted by IMKR View Post

can we get budget and resolution please biggrin.gif

EDIT : oh and the purpose of the PC.
This right here.

but i suspect that your budget is fairly low since you listed an older graphics card and a lower wattage psu.

so with that being said if on a super low budget perhaps look into a 760k, since you already have a graphics card.
750k- $79.99
http://www.amazon.com/AMD-Athlon-AD750KWOHJBOX-3-4Ghz-Processor/dp/B009O412AU/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1396082468&sr=1-1&keywords=750k

760k-$84.99
http://www.amazon.com/AMD-Athlon-Processor-AD760KWOHLBOX-Richland/dp/B00D7BYMB2/ref=sr_1_2?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1396082468&sr=1-2&keywords=750k

Not too familiar with motherboards on FM2/FM2+ but i know that these cpus are basically the apu without the integrated graphics.
and in my opinion the best low budget processor and is more than adequate for a day to day pc and medium 1080p gaming
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here is my reasoning for the 750/760k smile.gif

a great post by @mdocod

Quote:
Originally Posted by mdocod View Post


The 760K at stock clocks or *slightly* over (~4.0-4.5ghz range) actually competes with the i3-4130 in highly parallel, integer instruction heavy workloads like compiling, trans-coding, etc. It's a great value chip for people who do this sort of work and could make for a fantastic ultra-budget workstation for someone who does software development and needs to run VMs, or even as a cheap video toaster. I want to make it clear here, that I recognize that the 760K is a really awesome chip at stock clocks in it's price class, when it is leveraged for what it is good at.

Real-time workload performance doesn't scale proportionally with parallelism. A great example of this would be to look at the performance difference between the FX-8320 and FX-6300 in gaming. The FX-8320 has 30% better total compute performance in parallel workloads, but there is no real-time workload (game) anywhere that scales 30% between these 2 chips. Another common example, the i7 vs i5, again, 30% improvement in compute performance, almost no performance scaling in most real-time workloads.

The 760K overclocked to 5ghz, actually has ~10-20% higher performance in non-real-time parallel workloads than an i3-4130, unfortunately, that additional compute performance is spread out across an architecture that has its "parallelism" laid out a bit differently than the i3. The i3 can achieve 75% of it's maximum compute throughput with just 2 threads. The 760K can only achieve 55% throughput under the same conditions. As such, the overclocked 760K and the i3-4130 actually wind up performing very similarly in real-time (gaming) workloads because the sensitivity to per-thread performance in these workloads winds up offsetting the on-paper advantages of the 760K.

In worst case conditions, the on-paper performance of the 760K at stock clocks is ~30% worse than the i3-4130. Unfortunately, due to the nature of real-time workloads, a 30% cut in compute throughput can actually have far more drastic effects on the final performance outcome because that 30% cut can actually be "cutting" into one of multiple jobs running within a thread, which can translate to far less draw-calls made and as such, dramatically lower FPS when the CPU bottlenecks. Due to the unusual nature of these workloads, in some CPU bound conditions, the i3-4130 will actually deliver ~double the FPS of the 760K at stock clocks.

To be clear, I am not saying that the 760K can't play games. In fact, most games it will perform absolutely fine at stock clocks, and in many cases there will be no difference at all between the i3 and 760K because there is no CPU bottleneck either way. There are SOME games, that are hyper-sensitive to cpu performance, especially per-thread performance. In those games, the i3 is the superior choice by a margin that may be worth the added cost.
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post #8 of 21
i agree with the 750/760k its a really good CPU in the $100 range (maybe the best option ??)

EDIT: get the 760k here instead
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819113348

its $81.99 with FS and (not sure for you) no tax
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Originally Posted by IMKR View Post

i agree with the 750/760k its a really good CPU in the $100 range (maybe the best option ??)

EDIT: get the 760k here instead
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819113348

its $81.99

Unless you can get a used system for cheaper, do stand my belief that this cpu is the best sub $100 on the market.

so take a look at your local craigslist postings! i found my gpus, and got my friend a gpu for cheap.
you never know what deals are to be found by people who just want to get rid of their stuff!

haha newegg doesnt do free shipping to hawaii so i always just use amazon with my prime account
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post #10 of 21
Here bro I made this $600 budget list the other day so just pick out what you need:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: AMD Athlon X4 760K 3.8GHz Quad-Core Processor ($84.74 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master RR-T612-20PK-R1 82.9 CFM Rifle Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock FM2A88X Extreme4+ ATX FM2+ Motherboard ($73.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws Z Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-2400 Memory ($76.50 @ Newegg)
Storage: Crucial M500 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($73.48 @ SuperBiiz)
Video Card: Club 3D Radeon R9 270X 2GB Video Card ($179.99 @ NCIX US)
Case: Xigmatek Recon ATX Mid Tower Case ($24.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Rosewill Capstone 450W 80+ Gold Certified ATX Power Supply ($59.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $603.66
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-03-29 05:00 EDT-0400)
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