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FPS drops to 20-30 in raids. No matter what setting I use I get practically the same FPS. Ultra low everything on low, and ultra max shows maybe a 5 FPS difference. I tried reinstalling the game and running without any addons- it's still the same. I get like 100-200 FPS when I'm digging archeology sites on my own. FPS also drops to 30-40 in high populated areas like the auction house but that's okay.

Here is a graph of FPS on a boss fight in 25man raid:



1280x720 resolution. Settings: everything on low. Watch how many times it dips under 25 FPS in just 60 seconds.


I ran newest 3dmark, heaven and metro last light benchmarks to check for overheating and got these temps:

(just look at the "max" column)
I also played the newest Tomb Raider at max settings 60 fps stable.

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CPU: AMD FX-8350 | GPU: MSI Radeon HD 7950 OC BE 3GB| Motherboard: ASUS M5A97 R2.0 | RAM: DDR3 2x4GB kingston | PSU: Thermaltake SmartSE 730W | ViewSonic VA2349S 23" | HDD: 2TB + 400GB | Windows 8.1


Answering questions you may ask me before you ask them to save time:
1. No, I don't use V-Sync
2. I run the game with DX11
3. I have newest 14.2 Catalyst drivers for my video card. My computer is around six months old so all drivers are pretty new.
4.My windows power setting is set to Performance and cool and quiet and other CPU power saving settings are all off.
5. I limited my fps to like 100 to prevent overheating like many advise, because I have a 60 Hz monitor anyway. I didn't limit my FPS to 30.
6. I don't have any viruses. I used the newest Norton and ran and full scan.
7. I tried reinstalling the game and playing without any addons at all, it's all the same.
8. I tried playing without ANY other processes except windows ones.

Thank you for reading this far, every response from you will be precious to me smile.gif
Edited by zivlaks - 3/29/14 at 7:46am
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I don't know a lot about FX cpus but 67c seems high for doing regular stuff like gaming. My dad has a FX 6 cores and it gets in the high 50s with stock cooler at stock speed under Prime 95.
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Massive cpu bottleneck. 25 mans spells and particles. I have the same fps with a 3770k 30-40 fps depends the boss.Common problem with mmo
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If I had to guess it'd be CPU. You still need a near top of the line CPU, and usually overclocked, to raid heroic 25s in WoW. I raid competitively, we finished the tier US19 (Tyranny), and we see application all the time that come from 10mans and can't handle it. My sig computer still sees 30s at times on certain heroics, but I'm playing on Ultra.

I don't think AMD has ever done well in WoW either, so that doesn't help.
Edited by Murlocke - 3/29/14 at 8:05am
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Originally Posted by Bartouille View Post

I don't know a lot about FX cpus but 67c seems high for doing regular stuff like gaming. My dad has a FX 6 cores and it gets in the high 50s with stock cooler at stock speed under Prime 95.
It's not gaming, I ran 3 very intensive benchmarks. And my cooler is 212+ evo, it's much better than stock cooler
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Adding to my above post, you say 2TB for hard drive space. This isn't a slow green drive is it? WoW is one of those games I would fully recommend to put on an SSD. It caches the HDD a lot and you can see massive improvements with it on an SSD. This likely isn't the root of your problems, but if it's on a green drive, put it on a fast 7.2k drive at the minimum.

Also try turning the "Reduce Input Lag" setting off. I've heard some people get terrible FPS with that setting before.
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Massive cpu bottleneck. 25 mans spells and particles. I have the same fps with a 3770k 30-40 fps depends the boss.Common problem with mmo

What he said. All processors get a hard beating in WoW when 25+ people fight it out on screen. Overclock that 8350 as high as you can, if the end result is still not satisfying, consider a move to a haswell intel -k processor,4670k or 4770k and overclock those too. You will still get heavy fps drops though, it's the game.
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Adding to my above post, you say 2TB for hard drive space. This isn't a slow green drive is it? WoW is one of those games I would fully recommend to put on an SSD. It caches the HDD a lot and you can see massive improvements with it on an SSD. This likely isn't the root of your problems, but if it's on a green drive, put it on a fast 7.2k drive at the minimum.

Also try turning the "Reduce Input Lag" setting off. I've heard some people get terrible FPS with that setting before.

Consider that as well. Generally speaking ,WoW engine is very dated and has all sorts of shortcommings and bottlenecks. Few years ago half my guild would disconnect during onyxia air phase the moment eggs would hatch and whelps would get in the middle. The rest of us would often lag to death.
Edited by Kuivamaa - 3/29/14 at 8:13am
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Confirm your CPU temps and voltages with another program, if you're actually running 76C or 67C core temps (I'm not familiar with that software so I'm not sure which is which), then you're going to have some thermal induced throttling going on. The 212 EVO should be fine for the FX-8350 at stock clocks but there are lots of issues that could make it *not fine* (improperly configured BIOS settings especially).

Try CPU-Z and HWiNFO64.

If we confirm that the hardware is running within spec, then you have 2 options to improve performance.

1. Performance tune the FX chip (minimum FPS should climb proportionally or better with increased clock speeds).
2. Haswell -K, which will guarantee a ~40% or better improvement in minimum FPS over the FX-8350 at base clocks, and can be performance tuned beyond.

Unfortunately, your motherboard and CPU cooler won't have much headroom to performance tune. 4.6-4.7ghz might be doable if you have a decent chip that can run stable at low voltage. The good news is that gaming workloads that are CPU bound scale really well (often BETTER than proportional) with improved CPU performance. So getting from 4.0 to 4.6ghz could theoretically improve your FPS minimums by 20% or better. Still not great, but might be less annoying. Obviously a switch to haswell has more potential gain (after performance tuning it could double your current FPS minimums)



You'll have to forgive me I'm going to gloat a little now.

After spending hours and hours debating with AMD fan-boys over the issue of per-core performance and how it has the potential to have more negative effect on gaming performance than a "step down" GPU, this thread comes along and basically proves to the letter exactly the type of very real conditions that people run into while gaming that only CPU performance can fix. This particular example is great, because the problem would be exactly same whether we were using an HD7850 or R9 290. Scaling the GPU up and down here would have absolutely no meaningful effect on these FPS minimums, and there's no setting available that we can change in the game to "fix" the CPU bottleneck.

The "solution" offered by the AMD representative? Don't play those games. Or play them "differently." What a joke. Oh, or my favorite: Raise the resolution and graphical settings to hide the CPU bottleneck under a GPU bottleneck. See if any of those work well for you.

I've been using AMD CPUs in every computer I have built for over a decade, I love them for my needs and I appreciate their strengths and can live with their weaknesses. Every AMD chip I have bought I feel I have gotten a wonderful value from. I'm also a pretty talented know-it-all so I can be pretty annoying. What I *know* is that AMD CPUs are not currently the best choice for real-time workloads. I don't game very much so AMD works well for me.



zivlaks,

If you don't mind entertaining my ego a bit here. If you had known what you know now, 6 months ago, would you have bought an i5 or i7 instead, paired with a weaker GPU for a similar implementation cost?
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As everyone else is guessing, it's your CPU, a lot of MMOs are processor bound and your FPS will suffer depending on the title and your processor choice/settings.

A similar instance of this is Wildstar's beta but since it's newer it performs better and can only hope to improve since optimizations and graphical drivers still need tuning before release.

Going Intel would give you a bump in avg fps but most rigs will feel the pain in the major cities (Shattrath still the main one now? Probably not) and in some heavy raiding.
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Lower the cpu temperature below 62c
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