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I'm planning a new all-purpose build, m-atx or smaller.

I'd like 3-4 drives:

One 250gb SSD for all documents, games, photoshop, etc
Two 2 TB drive for pictures (redundancy via Windows 8 storage spaces)
One 1 TB drive for music (optional)

I've got 3 questions with this build, since a lot has happened since I built my last computer in 2008.

1. Is there a benefit in 2.5" vs 3,5" HDDs in terms of sound/vibration and heat/power draw? If so, what would the cost be upfront, and any recommendations, for storing pictures? I am thinking WD blue/green either way...
2. Is there a good case that would meet my needs for this? Specifically designed to fit 2.5" HDDs so I don't need to pad them to get them to fit, nor does it take up more space? I've got to fit a GPU also and want something the size of an ITX ideally...
3. Does Windows Storage Space allow you to upgrade the size of redundant spaces? For example, if I wanted to upgrade the 2TB picture space into a 4TB picture space in the future. This isn't very necessary, as it will take a long time to fill up this space, but it's good to know.

Thanks a lot, will let you know when I've decided.
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Regardless of heat or noise issues, 3.5" drive will always outperform 2.5".

No contest.
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Well to be more specific, yeah 3.5 drives do perform better, and cost less.

Most sff and really sff cases only have 2.5 drive space, think of intel nuc and gigabyte brix.

As far as downsides? It's not really much to whine about, you're gonna sacrifice something when you go small form factor.

Anyways it's doable smile.gif
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Originally Posted by Ultra-m-a-n View Post

Well to be more specific, yeah 3.5 drives do perform better, and cost less.

Most sff and really sff cases only have 2.5 drive space, think of intel nuc and gigabyte brix.

As far as downsides? It's not really much to whine about, you're gonna sacrifice something when you go small form factor.

Anyways it's doable smile.gif


If you really NEED that much space I wouldn't go for itx, maybe an matx enclosure with cable management, Velcro the ssd to the rear of the mobo tray and populate the drive bays with 3.5 mechs
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Agreed, if you want to have serious storage space, it's going to be difficult to do locally in a tiny computer.

Personally, I would condense pictures/video to the same drive(s). I am a big proponent of storage parallelization, as it really helps to negate a lot of the downsides of hard drives.
For example, the setup I have found that works best in my gaming/WS is:
- 256GB 830 OS/Some Programs
- 256GB Plextor M5P-Xtreme for big programs (P-shop, audio programs, etc)
- 2x500GB WD VR RAID0 (paid $95/ea on sale) for games
- WD10EZEX 1TB for misc programs, games not played in a while, etc
- WD6400AAKS partitioned to 30GB/590GB w the first dedicated to page file and the second as a Downloads directory
- then storage drives internal/external for storage and backups of stuff

- I keep most media on the arrays in a media server, and have a few externals and 32-128GB USB3.0/SDXC UHS (up to 125MB/s or so) for rotating backups


The big benefit is that with well organized program/drive placement, you avoid most all of the stalling/etc resulting from high QD stacking up on drives. I sometimes downclock my Ripjaws Z 2540 9-11-10 to 2133 9-11-9 and throw in 4 more 4GB sticks, and run a 12-24GB RAMdrive when it would be beneficial.


The idea being, OS runs from one drive, browser probably same (although I cache it to a different one), Paint.NET or photoshop run from an entirely separate drive, saved files go to their own drive, etc. There's no waiting for the many other R/W commands to be processed, and honestly it feels about99pct as fast as rrunning my SSD only setup (laptop w 512GB 840Pro and 512GB Plextor M5P-Xtreme w a 480GB Intel mSATA drive).

I figured that if it's good enough for the biggest data centers in the world, that they were probably onto something. Turns out they are, who'd of thunk it?
   
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Originally Posted by nleksan View Post

Agreed, if you want to have serious storage space, it's going to be difficult to do locally in a tiny computer.

Personally, I would condense pictures/video to the same drive(s). I am a big proponent of storage parallelization, as it really helps to negate a lot of the downsides of hard drives.
For example, the setup I have found that works best in my gaming/WS is:
- 256GB 830 OS/Some Programs
- 256GB Plextor M5P-Xtreme for big programs (P-shop, audio programs, etc)
- 2x500GB WD VR RAID0 (paid $95/ea on sale) for games
- WD10EZEX 1TB for misc programs, games not played in a while, etc
- WD6400AAKS partitioned to 30GB/590GB w the first dedicated to page file and the second as a Downloads directory
- then storage drives internal/external for storage and backups of stuff

- I keep most media on the arrays in a media server, and have a few externals and 32-128GB USB3.0/SDXC UHS (up to 125MB/s or so) for rotating backups


The big benefit is that with well organized program/drive placement, you avoid most all of the stalling/etc resulting from high QD stacking up on drives. I sometimes downclock my Ripjaws Z 2540 9-11-10 to 2133 9-11-9 and throw in 4 more 4GB sticks, and run a 12-24GB RAMdrive when it would be beneficial.


The idea being, OS runs from one drive, browser probably same (although I cache it to a different one), Paint.NET or photoshop run from an entirely separate drive, saved files go to their own drive, etc. There's no waiting for the many other R/W commands to be processed, and honestly it feels about99pct as fast as rrunning my SSD only setup (laptop w 512GB 840Pro and 512GB Plextor M5P-Xtreme w a 480GB Intel mSATA drive).

I figured that if it's good enough for the biggest data centers in the world, that they were probably onto something. Turns out they are, who'd of thunk it?

That's a great setup, but a bit overkill for me. I don't use this as a WS that requires anything like this, let alone a RAMdisk.

I currently have a 128GB SSD on my laptop that houses everything, and I have any issues with it. It literally runs games while I have 20 tabs open and write stuff on word. This is with the 8GB being used up for the iGPU.

That said, it may not be a bad idea to split the 256GB SSD I was thinking of as my main drive into two 128 GBs. Not as price efficient, but I could put OS, Office, and browser on one, and games/photoshop on the other.

The 1 TB for pictures (in RAID1) needs to stay, and I will probably start off with 500GB of music for now (I have a spare drive lying around)

The most common workflow, besides gaming while browsing, will be a) insert memory card --> b) place select pictures onto picture drive --> c) over time, move some pictures to SSD, post-process in PS, and move back to storage.

SO:

128 GB (os, office)
123 GB (games and photoshop??)
1 TB storage for pictures (in RAID1)

And I guess all HDDs will be 3.5" then. Maybe I'll do the rubber band trick.
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