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This could be considered an appraisal, but since I am not actually having my item appraised I believe this is the right section.

Quick question.

I know people search for "Golden Chips" and are willing to pay for them. What constitutes a golden chip in the FX-83xx group?

What I mean is, what speed, at what voltage would someone be willing to pay a little extra for a chip? Also, are temps factored in to the "Golden Chip" status?

And what price would you see a chip that fits the criteria listed at?

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What constitutes a golden chip in the FX-83xx group?

What I mean is, what speed, at what voltage would someone be willing to pay a little extra for a chip? Also, are temps factored in to the "Golden Chip" status?

And what price would you see a chip that fits the criteria listed at?

I would say a FX-83XX chip that can run at the same speed with the same voltage as a FX-9XXX chip would be considered golden.

But as far as the price is concerned, it would still have to listed significantly less than a FX-9XXX because of the label, which would affect the resale value years later.
    
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I would say a FX-83XX chip that can run at the same speed with the same voltage as a FX-9XXX chip would be considered golden.

But as far as the price is concerned, it would still have to listed significantly less than a FX-9XXX because of the label, which would affect the resale value years later.
A lot of 8350's can hit the 9370 clocks at 8350 stock voltage, let alone 9370 stock. I've seen very few 8350's that can't hit 4.4-4.5 GHz with little or no tweaking. It's only beyond 4.5 that things get tricky. Even the 9590 clocks aren't that tough with good cooling, considering you're at 1.5v stock on the 9590.
     
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I would say a FX-83XX chip that can run at the same speed with the same voltage as a FX-9XXX chip would be considered golden.

But as far as the price is concerned, it would still have to listed significantly less than a FX-9XXX because of the label, which would affect the resale value years later.

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A lot of 8350's can hit the 9370 clocks at 8350 stock voltage, let alone 9370 stock. I've seen very few 8350's that can't hit 4.4-4.5 GHz with little or no tweaking. It's only beyond 4.5 that things get tricky. Even the 9590 clocks aren't that tough with good cooling, considering you're at 1.5v stock on the 9590.

So if an 8320 hits 5.0ghz on 1.5 volts it would be golden.

Do you guys have any idea what someone would pay for a chip like that?
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I think if you mention your chip is "golden" then there are gonna be other sellers who say the same thing and its gonna be a gimmick, and the buyer is gonna wonder if you fried the chip or something, you know, would you buy an overvolted chip? I've sold 4 chips online, 2 used. I think my 6300 was golden, but I sold it for 100. Consider 10 or 20 off retail. % or $
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So if an 8320 hits 5.0ghz on 1.5 volts it would be golden.

Do you guys have any idea what someone would pay for a chip like that?
I said 8350, not 8320. An 8350 is a better-binned chip. I can't quite get to 5.0 on 1.5v, but this is an early-run 8350 that's over a year old. It can, however, make the 4.7 base/5.0 turbo settings of the 9590 at 1.48--and it's a very ordinary 8350, far from golden.

What would someone pay for a chip like what you described? Let's see here...Newegg sells the FX-9590 new for $339.99, and that's almost guaranteed to make 5.0 at 1.5v. So whatever someone would pay for an 8320 that can overclock like that, it would be limited to a figure under $339.99.
     
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I think if you mention your chip is "golden" then there are gonna be other sellers who say the same thing and its gonna be a gimmick, and the buyer is gonna wonder if you fried the chip or something, you know, would you buy an overvolted chip? I've sold 4 chips online, 2 used. I think my 6300 was golden, but I sold it for 100. Consider 10 or 20 off retail. % or $

Well you would have a certified OC and give proof, not just stating it is a golden chip. If I was that die hard AMD and wanted a for sure 5.0ghz FX chip, and didn't have ~$300 to spend on a 9590, yeah I would buy an overvolted chip.

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I said 8350, not 8320. An 8350 is a better-binned chip. I can't quite get to 5.0 on 1.5v, but this is an early-run 8350 that's over a year old. It can, however, make the 4.7 base/5.0 turbo settings of the 9590 at 1.48--and it's a very ordinary 8350, far from golden.

What would someone pay for a chip like what you described? Let's see here...Newegg sells the FX-9590 new for $339.99, and that's almost guaranteed to make 5.0 at 1.5v. So whatever someone would pay for an 8320 that can overclock like that, it would be limited to a figure under $339.99.

Well, every current FX 8 core is the same chip, just different quality. If an 8320 can make 9590 speeds, I wouldn't think it would be much less valuable than an 8350 than can do the same.

Well if every ordinary 8350 can make the 9590 speeds, then what would constitute a golden one?

If my chip made 9590 speeds, would $200 be too much? I was imagining it going for ~$175 max.
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I suppose you could do that, like say benchmarked to 5.0 or stable at 5Ghz owned for xxx time. you know. depends where you sell. Mabey this or another forum where they will understand, or consider that they may not have the same mobo and psu as you and cannot do the OC to 5. they might get mad.
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So if an 8320 hits 5.0ghz on 1.5 volts it would be golden.
Based on what AMD thought the max would be on 1.5 volts on air, you may have hit it. Page 19 here :
http://sites.amd.com/us/Documents/AMD_FX_Performance_Tuning_Guide.pdf
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Consider 10 or 20 off retail. % or $

Yep. Even if it is a Golden chip, its still a USED chip after testing it. Like a car thats worth 20% less the very moment you drive it off the lot, heh.

Once you open the AMD box, the new box AMD smell is gone. tongue.gif

Also, lets say you were in the business of binning AMD chips for 5 ghz guaranteed. You would have to have a lot of returns based on idiots using really crappy mobos to try to achieve 5ghz.
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Based on what AMD thought the max would be on 1.5 volts on air, you may have hit it. Page 19 here :
http://sites.amd.com/us/Documents/AMD_FX_Performance_Tuning_Guide.pdf
Yep. Even if it is a Golden chip, its still a USED chip after testing it. Like a car thats worth 20% less the very moment you drive it off the lot, heh.

Once you open the AMD box, the new box AMD smell is gone. tongue.gif

Also, lets say you were in the business of binning AMD chips for 5 ghz guaranteed. You would have to have a lot of returns based on idiots using really crappy mobos to try to achieve 5ghz.

Thanks for that link. Is the current FX series under the Scorpius platform moniker? Either way, shouldn't be too much different.

I usually poke a hypodermic needle into the box and suck out the freshness for later enjoyment.

There's just something about that dustless CPU manufacturing facility smell mixed with heroin that does it for me. eek.gifwheee.gif


I would hope someone looking for a processor that has been proven to achieve 5.0 would be smarter than that. I hope they have a nice cooling setup and motherboard for it to go into.
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