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post #11 of 17
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It has more native registry values (in steps of 50 dpi), but that's it. If you are fine with the native dpi of 3090 mice you don't need a 3310.

Instead if "best tracking" go for the one that fits your hand best while having either an A3090 or 3310. That should be pretty save. The tiny differences between certain mouse models with those sensors are largely personal preference, because as you said not everyone needs high PCS and rather uses a mouse with less smoothing and vice versa.

Basically this.

I feel no smoothing at all on the 3310, and I have a G400 to compare with. Just preference.
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post #12 of 17
And.. that's what i meant with interpreting tracking differently..
The 9500 has low jitter, no smoothing if you wish and is more precise than optical mice. While ofc that won't help you jack with the random positive/negative accel.
post #13 of 17
I think the debate about sensor performance has lost sight of what is important.

The 3310 is undeniably a great sensor with no acceleration, perfect control up to an unachievable 5m/s, no angle snapping and from my experience of the Avior 7000 it is extremely responsive. In raw numbers this is probably the best sensor.

But raw numbers don't tell the whole story. I seriously doubt that anyone needs 5m/s perfect control and by the time you are moving your arm that fast the main source of innacuracy will be you rather than your mouse. I also doubt that anyone needs more than 2000dpi even if they're using a huge screen. Many people confuse dpi with precision but stupidly high dpi makes a mouse harder to control and often introduces jitter. As long as a sensor is capable of around 3m/s perfect control speed and 2000dpi it should be good enough. On this basis the 3668 or 3888 used in the Deathadder 3G and 3.5G and the 3095 used in the G400v2 are also perfect sensors.

Some other attributes of the sensor are only important depending on the user and their uses.

No positive or negative acceleration is important to some gamers especially those who play pixel precise shooters because if the mouse moves further with a slow swipe than a fast swipe then it can make it harder to develop muscle memory. But even this is only relevant to the sort of perfectionists that stalk OCN. Many pro players have learned to control the consistent negative acceleration of the MLT04 in the Microsoft WMO or the inconsistent but fairly minor positive acceleration of the 9500 and 9800 laser sensors. I was happy for many years using a Microsoft mouse and regularly go back to it despite having about 20 mice with supposedly better sensors. If acceleration isn't a big deal for you then a whole host of sensors including the MLT04, 9500 and 9800 could be considered perfect.

Smoothing (or more generally input lag) is an issue that seriously divides people on OCN. I am quite picky about this and can notice a slight delay on the 3090 4000dpi sensor. This is a bit unfortunate because there are now a lot of mice with good shapes and weights such as the Roccat Savu, Steelseries Kana V2 or Zowie FK on the market that use this sensor. However it seems that the majority of people do not notice the delay or do not use the mouse for twitch shooters where this sort of minor input lag matters. If you are one of these people then the 3090 could be considered perfect and you have a free choice of a whole range of well designed mice.

Another attribute that is often criticised is angle snapping. Although most appear to prefer none, there are others who have adjusted to it. If you can put up with angle snapping then sensors such as the 3080 used in the MX518 could be considered perfect as well.

In my opinion the only attribute that really is an absolute necessity is a high malfunction speed. Even if you only rarely swipe up to 5m/s you do not want to find the mouse going totally haywire. All of the sensors mentioned above are capable of this when paired with a good surface.

I guess what this boils down to is that the perfect sensor will depend on the particular user and their requirements. As long as the sensor fits your needs I would focus much more on the shape, weight, switches and cable.
Edited by Necroblob - 3/30/14 at 8:16pm
post #14 of 17
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I think the debate about sensor performance has lost sight of what is important.

The 3310 is undeniably a great sensor with no acceleration, perfect control up to an unachievable 5m/s, no angle snapping and from my experience of the Avior 7000 it is extremely responsive. In raw numbers this is probably the best sensor.

But raw numbers don't tell the whole story. I seriously doubt that anyone needs 5m/s perfect control and by the time you are moving your arm that fast the main source of innacuracy will be you rather than your mouse. I also doubt that anyone needs more than 2000dpi even if they're using a huge screen. Many people confuse dpi with precision but stupidly high dpi makes a mouse harder to control and often introduces jitter. As long as a sensor is capable of around 3m/s perfect control speed and 2000dpi it should be good enough. On this basis the 3668 or 3888 used in the Deathadder 3G and 3.5G and the 3095 used in the G400v2 are also perfect sensors.

Some other attributes of the sensor are only important depending on the user and their uses.

No positive or negative acceleration is important to some gamers especially those who play pixel precise shooters because if the mouse moves further with a slow swipe than a fast swipe then it can make it harder to develop muscle memory. But even this is only relevant to the sort of perfectionists that stalk OCN. Many pro players have learned to control the consistent negative acceleration of the MLT04 in the Microsoft WMO or the inconsistent but fairly minor positive acceleration of the 9500 and 9800 laser sensors. I was happy for many years using a Microsoft mouse and regularly go back to it despite having about 20 mice with supposedly better sensors. If acceleration isn't a big deal for you then a whole host of sensors including the MLT04, 9500 and 9800 could be considered perfect.

Smoothing (or more generally input lag) is an issue that seriously divides people on OCN. I am quite picky about this and can notice a slight delay on the 3090 4000dpi sensor. This is a bit unfortunate because there are now a lot of mice with good shapes and weights such as the Roccat Savu, Steelseries Kana V2 or Zowie FK on the market that use this sensor. However it seems that the majority of people do not notice the delay or do not use the mouse for twitch shooters where this sort of minor input lag matters. If you are one of these people then the 3090 could be considered perfect and you have a free choice of a whole range of well designed mice.

Another attribute that is often criticised is angle snapping. Although most appear to prefer none, there are others who have adjusted to it. If you can put up with angle snapping then sensors such as the 3080 used in the MX518 could be considered perfect as well.

In my opinion the attributes that really is an absolute necessity is a high malfunction speed. Even if you only rarely swipe up to 5m/s you do not want to find the mouse going totally haywire. All of the sensors mentioned above are capable of this when paired with a good surface.

I guess what this boils down to is that the perfect sensor will depend on the particular user and their requirements. As long as the sensor fits your needs I would focus much more on the shape, weight, switches and cable.

+rep, nice post!
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post #15 of 17
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+rep, nice post!

Thanks -I'm a longtime lurker here on OCN, but fancied posting for once!
post #16 of 17
claw&fingertip guys really should wait cm storm spawn v2 imho
post #17 of 17
have a spawn, shape was ok,but had way too much prediction even when you turned it off.
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