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Hey guys! Long time listener... first time caller! (See what I did there?) I've never overclocked my computers before but now that I've got a CPU designed to be cranked up a touch I figure I should at least start learning how it works and what I have to do to make everything work.

My Rig:
Cooler Master HAF 922 (stock fans atm)
AMD FX8320 (stock settings and cooling)
MSI 970-G46
Gigabyte Nvidia GTX 770 4gb (stock settings atm)
Corsair Vengeance 16gb (2x 8GB)
Corsair G600 power supply
OCZ SSD boot drive/ 1tb storage hard drive
QNIX 2560x1440p 120hz monitor (my native resolution is 1440p for all my games)

Ok now that I've broken the ice here's the situation. I've just gotten an FX8320 mounted into my MSI 970A-G46 for a couple days and I've been watching my temps (through Open Hardware Monitor).

The CPU temps tend to be around 30-40c while the socket temps are between 45-55c varying loads. My GTX770 usually coasts around 33-40c.

As I said I've never overclocked one of my rigs before so I'm completely new to all of this. I've read that the FX8320 can fry at 62c or higher so i started thinking about getting an aftermarket cooler for it (Plus this stock fan is pretty noisy for apparently no reason at all)

I've yet to run Prime95 as I'm nervous I might end up frying my CPU or something with this stock cooler.

I was researching a Noctua NH-D14 or a Corsair H110. However, upon going to see if the NH-D14 would fit onto my case (as I'm kind of nervous about putting something filled with water into my expensive computer) I learned that it may not fit on the board. I also found that people do not like this motherboard as VRM temps can get pretty high and fry out. So now I'm worried about that too!

The VRM temps right now are at ~33c(the lowest of the three) and ~48c (the highest of the three).
Do these temps increase under load? Or are they a solid figure? i'm under the impression these temps would increase if I increased the wattage of my CPU. Right?

i got this motherboard because it was the best board for the budget I had at the time. People have said that you should replace it if you plan on overclocking so I'm kind of nervous about tinkering with stuff now.

I'm curious about what all I need to be worried about or looking into with my current setup. Would a Corsair H110 be worth the money if I can only overclock to a certain level? Is this board/cpu combination doomed to fail? What should I set my CPU/GPU settings to for a solid OC?

I should add that eventually I wanted to get another GTX770 4gb card so I could SLI them as I run my games at 2560x1440p resolutions. I may even get either another 1080 monitor to sidebar itunes/browser/desktop with or maybe even (dare I say it) two more 1440p monitors to do 1440p surround gaming. (Go big or go home, right?)

To give an idea of my rigs benchmarks I get a solid 60+ FPS in pretty much everything I run at 1440p on ultra settings.

Battlefield 4 seems to be my current crutch running the game at 1440p with 200% scaling I get ~5-9fps. 100% scale gets me about 45-70. I figure If I OC my rig a bit I might be able to get ~125-150% scale resolution up. The game is simply gorgeous at this resolution scaled up.

I am also aware I'd have to get another PSU if i got another GTX770 so no need to remind me of that atm. smile.gif

Not sure if there's any one who'll be able to give the exact answer I'm hoping to get.

Thanks for reading my long and drawn out post! If I left anything out just ask me and I should reply pretty quickly!

Oh!! And I have been tempted to use OC Genie (supported by my motherboard) but haven't had the guts to dive into that yet either! Would this be a considerable option for me? or is a manual OC over all a better route to go?

I'm not looking for kill my system in a years time with overclocking it to high... but I would like to see if I could at least get the most performance out of the hardware I own.

Thanks again!
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Originally Posted by autobtsrllout View Post

The CPU temps tend to be around 30-40c while the socket temps are between 45-55c varying loads. My GTX770 usually coasts around 33-40c.
Those temps are useless, since you don't know what the real load was.

As I said I've never overclocked one of my rigs before so I'm completely new to all of this. I've read that the FX8320 can fry at 62c or higher
I've yet to run Prime95 as I'm nervous I might end up frying my CPU or something with this stock cooler.
They don't "fry" at 62°, they just shut down to protect themselves. So, Prime 95 won't "fry" you CPU.

What should I set my CPU/GPU settings to for a solid OC?
See below

Not sure if there's any one who'll be able to give the exact answer I'm hoping to get.
As for overclocking...No

Oh!! And I have been tempted to use OC Genie
Don't do that.

How I overclock any Motherboard, with any CPU, with any Memory
Assumptions:
You have a motherboard with an overclocking bios.
All automatic overclocking and speed controls are disabled in the bios.
All bios settings are set to their defaults, except memory is unlinked.
You know how to reset your bios.
You have this software, at a minimum:
CPU-Z, SuperPi, HwMonitor, or CoreTemp, and a CPU stress program (I like OCCT)

Overview:
Overclock the Motherboard, CPU and Memory separately, one at a time.

If you do the above, and make one change at a time you will know what is causing your OC to fail and can make appropriate corrections. Use a pencil and paper and write down each change and the result.

Procedure:
Monitor your computer by running CPU-Z, SuperPi, HwMonitor, or CoreTemp, and a CPU stress program after each bios change.

Motherboard:
You want to find the highest FSB you can use and be stable.
How:
Set the Multiplier to a low number such that your CPU runs well below its “stock” speed
Set the Memory speed such that your memory runs well below its “stock” speed.
Start raising the FSB setting slowly (maybe 5 at a time) until failure. Back off by 5 and start raising the FSB setting 1 at a time until failure.
Now you know the highest FSB you can use and be stable.

CPU:
You want to find the highest CPU speed you can use and be stable.
How:
Set the FSB to “stock” setting.
Set the Memory speed such that your memory runs well below its “stock” speed.
Set the Multiplier to its “stock” setting.
Start raising the FSB setting slowly (maybe 5 at a time) until failure. Back off by 5 and start raising the FSB setting 1 at a time until failure.

Memory:
You want to find the highest Memory speed you can use and be stable.
Set the FSB to “stock” setting.
Set the Memory speed such that your memory runs well below its “stock” speed.
Set the Multiplier to its “stock” setting.
Start raising the FSB setting slowly (maybe 5 at a time) until failure. Back off by 5 and start raising the FSB setting 1 at a time until failure.
Now you know the highest Memory speed you can use and be stable.

When you know all three, maximum FSB, maximum CPU speed, and maximum Memory speed, you can put them all together in the bios and have a pretty good overclock.
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FX6300 Black M5A99X EVO R2.0 Nvidia GTS450 Team Vulcan PC3 12800 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
Samsung 840 PRO Asus DRW-1608P (x2) Custom Water Cooling Win7 (Ult), Win 8.1 & Win Server 2012 R2 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
2 X Samsung 915N Ducky Shine III, Blue Cherry/Blue LEDs PCP&C 1kw Lian Li PC-71 (W/Window) 
MouseAudio
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Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
Samsung 840 PRO Asus DRW-1608P (x2) Custom Water Cooling Win7 (Ult), Win 8.1 & Win Server 2012 R2 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
2 X Samsung 915N Ducky Shine III, Blue Cherry/Blue LEDs PCP&C 1kw Lian Li PC-71 (W/Window) 
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Thanks for a well formed reply! I hadn't used OC Genie (The auto oc software on my mobo) and I do know how to get and adjust the settings on my bios I just don't really know what to change them to or by how much and what not.

I'm still worried about cooling as I feel if I crank this FX8320 up to something ~4.0ghz that this stock coolers going to be going through its paces once I load up BF4 at 1440p ultra.

How important is overclocking memory with my CPU? Cause I've never seen any issues as far as memory speeds go with the 16gb I've got in gaming. Any time i've ever seen a bottlenecking was with CPU performance.
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With my above info, the only thing more I could do for you is come over to your house and push the keys on your keyboard for you.....

As to memory: With modern CPU's multiple, large memory caches memory has much less effect on overall performance. Maybe 5% at the most. But a 30% increase in memory performance can be a 1.5% increase in overall performance (30% of 5)...and it's a free performance boost.

And there are no games that will use 16 gigs of memory, 2 gigs, 4 at the most. The only thing more than 4 gigs is good for is multitasking (running multiple programs at he same time).
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CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
FX6300 Black M5A99X EVO R2.0 Nvidia GTS450 Team Vulcan PC3 12800 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
Samsung 840 PRO Asus DRW-1608P (x2) Custom Water Cooling Win7 (Ult), Win 8.1 & Win Server 2012 R2 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
2 X Samsung 915N Ducky Shine III, Blue Cherry/Blue LEDs PCP&C 1kw Lian Li PC-71 (W/Window) 
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Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
Samsung 840 PRO Asus DRW-1608P (x2) Custom Water Cooling Win7 (Ult), Win 8.1 & Win Server 2012 R2 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
2 X Samsung 915N Ducky Shine III, Blue Cherry/Blue LEDs PCP&C 1kw Lian Li PC-71 (W/Window) 
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You will need a better motherboard for something higher than 4.3ghz

For the heatsink which is your budget?
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@pontiac- ~100-120 dollars for my heatsink. As I said I've debated between an Noctua DH-14 or a Corsair H110. After reading what I'd read online I was worried I'd need another motherboard. Great. -_-
I haven't seen my GPU load go over 50% even running my games at ultra 1440p so I'm thinking I might be able to live with something ~4.1-4.2 ghz if it means getting more bang for my buck AND having a modest life span.

@bill- No need to come over and push the keys! hahaha. I can do this! wink.gif I'm just a little nervous as it's my first time is all. Be gentle! I'm going to really dive in to it tomorrow once I decide what CPU Cooler to buy and I'm able to make sure i have enough cooling in my computer. I was able to successfully overclock my gpu a bit last night so once I have my additional fans in my case I'm gonna see if I can't get a bit more out of it too! 1440p is pretty hefty though it turns out with some games!

I ran Far Cry 3 last night on Extreme with AA X8 and got ~30fps. A GTX780 gets about ~40-50 and a titan gets ~70-85 on these settings. I'm going to have to reconsider this potention move to 3x1 surround 1440p with 770s because From what i've read so far to get that resolution at ultra with 50+ fps I'm going to need 3 cards!

Either way after watching my GPU Climb up to ~65-70c last night while running Far Cry I'm very worried about the cooling in my computer and feel I will have to get a 140mm fan on the bottom of the case for intake and an additional 200m fan on my side panel for intake as well.

I figure if I got a Corsair h110 the radiator would be mounted at the top of the case with my fans blowing air onto to and eventually even getting fans to do a push/pull method together. Any thoughts on that?

Or would the Noctua be a better overall choise with the amount of Air Flow I'll have in my case?

I feel the bottom and side fan will give the GPU the additional cooled air it'll need when under strained load to be able to not throw it's fans to high into overdrive.

I want my components to give a modest performance but not fizzle out to quickly or push them to hard.

Hahaha. I want them to go to the gym, be healthy and hit the bench. Not take steroids. (If that makes any sense?)
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post #8 of 10
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If I go with a closed loop kit wouldn't it be worth the extra cash to just get the H110 for the larger radiator and fans? My case can hold the h110 on the top of it with no problem.
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Also, upon examining these two boards I've noticed one thing I've known to look for when looking for a board that'll support SLI. The gigabyte board only supports 16X/4x PCIE2.0 set ups. The Asus board does 16x for one card and 8x/8x for two cards.

The motherboard I have now supports a 16x/8x sli setup. Would retaining the board and not overclocking the CPU on the board past ~4.0 ghz to utilize my GPU speeds better (once i have another 770 that is) be a better performance graphically than say going with one of these other boards and getting higher CPU performance with weaker GPU utilization?

Hope that makes sense too. lol
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Your cpu will be a bottleneck at 4.2ghz with a 770sli...the asus works fine in sli..

The h100i is a good deal...a h110 for 30usd more doesnt worth it
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