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Seriously, people are taking it like someone tried to kill their dog or something when Facebook bought oculus....

If someone came and offered you 2 freakin billion dollars, 1000 times more than what you got crowd funded (and most likely you will ever get), an unimaginable amount for a product you hadn't even been able to finish developing and integrate, you will sell your own mother, father, sister and dog. No matter who offered the money.
With that amount you can return everyone's money in cash, and put in the envelope a dick picture.

They didn't say they are going to stop trying to develop the product, or stop to team up with developers, or stop making it a gaming platform. People went nuts just because its Facebook. Seriously. This is getting dumper by the minute.
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Originally Posted by Defoler View Post

Seriously, people are taking it like someone tried to kill their dog or something when Facebook bought oculus....

If someone came and offered you 2 freakin billion dollars, 1000 times more than what you got crowd funded (and most likely you will ever get), an unimaginable amount for a product you hadn't even been able to finish developing and integrate, you will sell your own mother, father, sister and dog. No matter who offered the money.
With that amount you can return everyone's money in cash, and put in the envelope a dick picture.

They didn't say they are going to stop trying to develop the product, or stop to team up with developers, or stop making it a gaming platform. People went nuts just because its Facebook. Seriously. This is getting dumper by the minute.

It makes business sense, but people don't see it that way. And you can't deny Facebook's questionable motives for acquiring Oculus... they're a data mining company, after all.

Ideally Facbook or someone else could've heavily invested in Oculus without outright buying them altogether, but I guess that didn't work out.
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Some people take things to far. Death threats and harassing family member not related to the company is a big no, no. That said nobody should be surprised about it either. The same has happened for less and there is no denying that Oculus sold out big time and betrayed the people who baked them. That was only made worse by how poorly the PR was handled.

In the end I don't think it even maters. By selling out Oculus sacrificed its credibility for a quick buck and that maters especially considering the people that are interested in their product are hardcore gamers, VR enthusiast ect. The cat is out of the bag so to speak as the demand for VR is now public knowledge and so other alternatives like True Player Gear, Sony's Morpheus VR and other that are sure to follow will work to fill that demand.

Even if Oculus does make a good product the fact that they burned their fans will always be there and so some will go with an competitors product out of shear spite/miss trust. So I think the joke is really on Facebook for dishing out that kind of cash. Oculus people are set for life so its hard to blame them for making that choice.
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Anyone surprised?

Facebook is a badly coded and bloated version of google in terms of data mining. Expect its decline and downfall in the next 2-3 as Facebook fails to keep pace with rapid developments in smart phones and pads.
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Some people take things to far. Death threats and harassing family member not related to the company is a big no, no. That said nobody should be surprised about it either. The same has happened for less and there is no denying that Oculus sold out big time and betrayed the people who baked them. That was only made worse by how poorly the PR was handled.

In the end I don't think it even maters. By selling out Oculus sacrificed its credibility for a quick buck and that maters especially considering the people that are interested in their product are hardcore gamers, VR enthusiast ect. The cat is out of the bag so to speak as the demand for VR is now public knowledge and so other alternatives like True Player Gear, Sony's Morpheus VR and other that are sure to follow will work to fill that demand.

Even if Oculus does make a good product the fact that they burned their fans will always be there and so some will go with an competitors product out of shear spite/miss trust. So I think the joke is really on Facebook for dishing out that kind of cash. Oculus people are set for life so its hard to blame them for making that choice.

Meanwhile, the more rational among us will continue to pick the product with the best value, regardless of who's signing the developer's paychecks. If that happens to be the Oculus(and given the talent and amount of funding it has behind it, I'm betting it will be at least for a while), so be it. It's a display device(with head tracking). If I deem it to be better for games than its competition, what do I care who makes it?

I really don't see the fuss, personally. Given the fairly minuscule amount of money it got from Kickstarter(from a hardware R&D perspective), there was no way they were going to produce something truly worth having at a scale suitable for a commercial release without making a deal somewhere(Carmack makes mention of something similar in one of his post buyout comments). Now they have the funding to make a better product and mass produce it so there aren't availability issues(like there certainly would have been had they tried to go it alone). Maybe that isn't what will happen. Maybe it will fall apart. Maybe the end result will be worse for the acquisition. But there is no evidence that this will be the case yet, and until there is, I refuse to weep and moan like some spurned lover. Actually I won't even if there is. I'll just buy something else.
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Meanwhile, the more rational among us will continue to pick the product with the best value, regardless of who's signing the developer's paychecks. If that happens to be the Oculus(and given the talent and amount of funding it has behind it, I'm betting it will be at least for a while), so be it. It's a display device(with head tracking). If I deem it to be better for games than its competition, what do I care who makes it?

I really don't see the fuss, personally. Given the fairly minuscule amount of money it got from Kickstarter(from a hardware R&D perspective), there was no way they were going to produce something truly worth having at a scale suitable for a commercial release without making a deal somewhere(Carmack makes mention of something similar in one of his post buyout comments). Now they have the funding to make a better product and mass produce it so there aren't availability issues(like there certainly would have been had they tried to go it alone). Maybe that isn't what will happen. Maybe it will fall apart. Maybe the end result will be worse for the acquisition. But there is no evidence that this will be the case yet, and until there is, I refuse to weep and moan like some spurned lover. Actually I won't even if there is. I'll just buy something else.

I'm with you there. I don't really care that much about who makes an product as long as its good. I was just pointing out that like the mass out cry suggest there is a good chuck of the potential customers that will hold this against them.

If a VR set made by Occulus and a VR set made by an other manufacturers where otherwise identical then even I would rather go with the competitor as I would rather not have to install any software on my computers that Facebook as been poking around in.
    
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post #27 of 91
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It makes business sense, but people don't see it that way. And you can't deny Facebook's questionable motives for acquiring Oculus... they're a data mining company, after all.

Ideally Facbook or someone else could've heavily invested in Oculus without outright buying them altogether, but I guess that didn't work out.

People said the same about google. "they are just a search engine".
Now they have physical infrastructure, google class, android.
Companies evolve, expand to other things.
Apple used to be an OS and PC company. Now look at them.
Microsoft used to be an OS only company.

It makes sense that Facebook will acquire companies which they might have something beneficial to them in the future.
Just out right "Facebook is evil!!" or "Facebook will ruin everything!!"... I'm sorry but its right out stupid thinking.
They just bought it a week ago. Already oculus gets burn for this without people letting it see what will actually come out of it?

Hell. Don't forget that the kickstarter funding did never actually promise games support out right. They said "we will do our best".
Would people also feel robbed if they brought out a product without any good game support, send the few kits purchased and say "we are done!" and sell out the tech to sony? After all, they will get what they payed for.
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Imagine the crying if Occulus had folded in two years if they hadnt taken the offer from facebook because they didny have the budget to r&d, manufacturer and advertise the rift against its competitors aka project morpheus, announced rumoured Razer product....

It made sense and even though Facebook data mines it has been trying to expand its portfolio so that when facebook itself dies they have other companies luke occulus and whatsapp. Better facebook than Sony or Microsoft who would restrict it there devices/os. Google or Amazon who would just close Occulus because they would care t know much about there bottom line


Also death threats should be punishable, something like a verbal apology and community service
post #29 of 91
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As terrible and wrong as personal harassment/death threats are, Oculus should've seen this coming. They raised 2.4 million dollars on kickstarter as an independent company, then sold out to one of the biggest data miners out there... what did they expect?

Maybe they expected people to be grown up and decent and not sad sacks who call developers working on a project they are excited about to harass them and threaten to kill them?

Why do people even make comments like this, are you saying that they shouldn't have sold to Facebook in order to avoid harassment? Is that really your position?

The sad thing is that most of the people getting harassed had nothing to do with the decision.
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I think Carmack asked a very important question:
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I did skip the data mining issue, mostly because I just can't get very worked up about it. [...] Educate me. What terrible outcome is expected from this? Be specific.

And of course he got a bunch of non-specific replies.

The more I read about this controversy, the more I'm convinced that all the crying is from the anti-Facebook bandwagon that can't form coherent arguments other than "FACEBOOK BAD." I wouldn't be surprised if many of the same drama queens will be the first-in-line for CV1.
Edited by Exilon - 3/30/14 at 1:43am
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