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holy crap. tons of options for me to look at! thanks so much to everyone so far who has helped.
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My last "gaming PC" died in 2008. So i've been on console exclusively for the last 6 years or so. I just started ordering hardware for my new rig recently, and the leap in power and technology over the last 5 years has been astounding. Have spent the last month or so catching up smile.gif

haha i know how you feel!

a lot of good builds in here. i will most likely go with the build luckyse7ens put together. thanks!
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Hello henwyybwoi,

I also recommend the more expensive CPU and an entry level GPU for this build. The Xeon E3 and i5 recommendations are the best so far but there are some minor things I would change if it were me (minor-picky stuff to maximize value).

For what you have described, the CPU is going to be the most important part of the build. Once you're into a decent entry level discrete GPU like the R7 260 or GTX750, there isn't any game you can't play with smooth results unless you're an ultra-settings snob or running at really high resolution. "light gaming" to me means that graphics settings are not the most important part.

While any game can be adjusted to perform smoothly on an entry level GPU like the GTX750, not every game runs smoothly or maintains real-time on an FX-6300 at stock clocks, and there are no settings that can be adjusted to "fix" that problem, nor will a more powerful GPU solve the problem. You will indeed find many very happy AMD users who are gamers. These chips run many games just fine because so many games out there not taxing on the CPU. The problems arise on the CPU intensive games that are poorly threaded (many strategy games and MMOs). AMD apologetic's and fanboys will rationalize this performance deficit in many creative ways but the bottom line is that FPS minimums in lightly threaded CPU bound games can be as bad as HALF of that which you would get on a competing haswell product unless the FX chip is performance tuned to compensate.

At stock clocks, the FX-6300 could be best described as a 6 core celeron in terms of performance (though it is much more feature rich for instruction capabilities, those capabilities will only be beneficial in specialized workloads like encryption and virtual machines). The poor single threaded performance negatively impacts most cpu intensive games and many productivity apps, which still don't leverage parallel hardware as well as one would hope. Photo editing software, MMOs, and popular strategy games gravitate towards favoring higher performing cores more-so than additional parallelism.

When performance tuned, the FX-6300@5ghz is actually pretty comparable in performance to the E3-1230V2, but uses 3X as much power to run at that performance level. The FX-6300 is a really high value chip for someone like me, who wants a cheap toy to tinker with and performance tune (like a VW Golf), who appreciates the novelty of performance tuning a $110 CPU to Xeon performance levels. If you'd rather just buy that performance outright, Intel gets ~$225 for it (which is pretty competitive all things considered), though I would encourage going for the E3-1230V3 for another $20, as it's up to 15% faster, which I believe more than justifies the minor price difference.


Stick with either the GTX750, GTX750Ti, or an AMD GPU like the R7 260X for this build. These architectures have more to offer a machine that will leverage the GPU for non-gaming workloads than a Kepler based GPU. Avoid the GTX6XX series, and all GTX760 and higher series IMO, they aren't the best value for this build.


I'll see if I can squeeze the V3 into a build.... to be edited in later wink.gif

Regards,
Eric






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Originally Posted by gunzkevin1 View Post

I second the Xeon build. If you can find a 650ti, I would get that instead of the 750ti. More CUDA cores, and it supports SLI unlike the 750ti which does not. Draws a little more power, but not by too much.

CUDA core = / = CUDA core when they come from different architectures. A Maxwell GPU (The GTX750Ti) with 640 CUDA cores is actually better than a Kepler based card with 768 CUDA cores in terms of gaming performance by a nice margin (usually ~10% or better while using less power). More importantly, is the performance improvements of this new architecture in GPGPU loads. The GTX750Ti is TWICE as fast as the GTX650Ti in many GPGPU workloads. In fact, the new architecture is SO MUCH BETTER at this, that the GTX750Ti competes at the GTX770 level in integer workloads while using a FRACTION of the power.

SLI support is meaningless for a build that will go on a B85 or H87 motherboard. Furthermore, it's well known that the trade-offs of multi-GPU implementations are not even worth entertaining until the performance desired or required exceeds that which can be had from a single GPU.
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CPU: Intel Xeon E3-1230 V3 3.3GHz Quad-Core Processor ($244.98 @ SuperBiiz)

Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-B85M-D3H Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($73.99 @ Amazon)

Memory: A-Data XPG V1.0 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($63.99 @ Newegg)

Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 750 Ti 2GB Video Card ($149.99 @ NCIX US)

Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.99 @ Amazon)
OR
Storage: Crucial M500 240GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($119.99 @ Amazon)
(or both)

Case: Cougar Spike MicroATX Mini Tower Case ($34.99 @ TigerDirect)

Power Supply: SeaSonic 360W 80+ Gold Certified ATX Power Supply ($54.99 @ Amazon)

Total: $683, $743, $803 w/HD, SSD or both respectively. SHIPPED (no MIRs, prices include shipping above)

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Hello henwyybwoi,
CUDA core = / = CUDA core when they come from different architectures. A Maxwell GPU (The GTX750Ti) with 640 CUDA cores is actually better than a Kepler based card with 768 CUDA cores in terms of gaming performance by a nice margin (usually ~10% or better while using less power). More importantly, is the performance improvements of this new architecture in GPGPU loads. The GTX750Ti is TWICE as fast as the GTX650Ti in many GPGPU workloads. In fact, the new architecture is SO MUCH BETTER at this, that the GTX750Ti competes at the GTX770 level in integer workloads while using a FRACTION of the power.

SLI support is meaningless for a build that will go on a B85 or H87 motherboard. Furthermore, it's well known that the trade-offs of multi-GPU implementations are not even worth entertaining until the performance desired or required exceeds that which can be had from a single GPU.

I should have specified a 650ti Boost. The boost is faster in every result I could find. And I mentioned the power difference already.
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I should have specified a 650ti Boost. The boost is faster in every result I could find. And I mentioned the power difference already.

I wouldn't take the 650Ti Boost over the 750Ti personally. The 750Ti is faster where it counts more, in raw shader performance, which helps maintain better minimum FPS in worst case scenarios, while the boost has better post-processing throughput due to it's higher bandwidth/wider ROP configuration. The later tends to count for less from most peoples perspective, as turning down AA is typically more desirable than turning down detail levels. The only thing that the GTX650Ti Boost offers over the 750Ti is higher peak FPS. The 750Ti has better minimums, better efficiency, and up to double the GPGPU performance.
     
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