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Why Facebook? "I could think of other companies that would have more obvious synergies. However, I do have reasons to believe that they get the big picture as I see it, and will be a powerful force towards making it happen. You don't make a commitment like they just did on the whim." Much of the backlash regarding the acquisition has centered on Facebook's business model — data mining and advertising. This isn't a concern for Carmack, who says he "just can't get very worked up about it ." While he appreciates the need for privacy, "the idea that companies are supposed to interact with you and not pay attention has never seemed sane to me ... I rather like the recommendations that Amazon gives me on each visit. Educate me. What terrible outcome is expected from this?"

http://www.theverge.com/2014/3/30/5563440/john-carmack-facebook-oculus-rift-purchase-comments

So Carmack isn't worried so that makes me feel better. thumb.gif
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While he appreciates the need for privacy, "the idea that companies are supposed to interact with you and not pay attention has never seemed sane to me ... I rather like the recommendations that Amazon gives me on each visit. Educate me. What terrible outcome is expected from this?"

ahh the nothing to fear nothing to hide brigade, how naive. Harmless meta data exploitation sold on for mega bucks at your own expense and he crucially does not deny this will happen by that very statement.

Im not taking life viewpoints from a walking Doom character


John Carmack Checking his Facebook status yesterday
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
doom9.jpg

Edited by Pip Boy - 3/30/14 at 7:43am
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ahh the nothing to fear nothing to hide brigade, how naive. Harmless meta data exploitation sold on for mega bucks at your own expense and he crucially does not deny this will happen by that very statement.

Im not taking life viewpoints from a walking Doom character

Targeted advertising is everywhere you can't avoid it it here too. Even as I type this I'm looking at a side banner from Newegg about GPU's. It can be quite helpful as well, amazon reccomendations are how I managed to pick up my new smartphone on sale.
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Targeted advertising is everywhere you can't avoid it it here too. Even as I type this I'm looking at a side banner from Newegg about GPU's. It can be quite helpful as well, amazon reccomendations are how I managed to pick up my new smartphone on sale.

Its everywhere unless you globally block it and get on with your browsing and video watching.
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A company executive who financially benefits defends the acquisition. What a surprise. rolleyes.gif While I respect John Carmack, he has been out of touch with the gaming community for some time. This does not give me the warm fuzzy feelings, and does not confirm a gaming headed direction for Occulus. The direction I see coming is full of advertisements and non-gaming related applications for VR. Which i'm truly not interested in.

Marketing spin is marketing spin. Carmack is financially benefiting from the facebook acquisition. So what's he supposed to say. That he hates the idea? Give me a break. Of course he's doing to defend it. That doesn't make it the right decision on their part; like it or not they sold out. Period. And the guys who did the Occulus Rift kickstarter way back when? Now those are the guys I feel bad for.

I also find it quite telling that he doesn't rule out the possibility of advertisements associated with the occulus rift. He says advertisements aren't a bad thing. That he likes product recommendations on amazon. Sorry, advertisements while in a VR situation aren't subtle like product suggestions on amazon. Instead of denying that it will happen, I think it's definitely going to happen. So let's just buy the occulus rift to be inundated with ads. Sounds like a great time.
Edited by xoleras - 3/30/14 at 8:04am
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Its everywhere unless you globally block it and get on with your browsing and video watching.

But if everyone did that the Internet as we know it wouldn't exist. It'd be paywalls everywhere.
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But if everyone did that the Internet as we know it wouldn't exist. It'd be paywalls everywhere.

Isn't that what the internet already is?
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Isn't that what the internet already is?

Some of it is, some of it isn't. His point isn't invalid. Advertisements are how companies make money from the 'net, and if everyone used some form of adblock, it would directly affect their income/profits. I mean I certainly dont' care about capitalistic profit levels in this situation, but it is what it is. The majority of net users aren't using adblock, while some more tech oriented people are. So it's not a huge problem at this point for these companies. If 100% of users applied adblock software? Well then it would be a problem. And we would see a paradigm shift towards more paywalls. Think of it this way. Most of the information on the internet is free, and there are a few payblocks for services. This forum is free. Most tech sites are free. So on and so forth. Without advertisements being effective, that could change the paradigm.

But like I said, it just isn't a problem yet. Most folks do not use adblock software. Well - most "out of the loop" people (which is the majority) do not use adblock software. And adblock software doesn't exist to the same extent on mobile devices, so that's another factor.
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A company executive who financially benefits defends the acquisition. What a surprise. rolleyes.gif While I respect John Carmack, he has been out of touch with the gaming community for some time. This does not give me the warm fuzzy feelings, and does not confirm a gaming headed direction for Occulus. The direction I see coming is full of advertisements and non-gaming related applications for VR. Which i'm truly not interested in.

Marketing spin is marketing spin. Carmack is financially benefiting from the facebook acquisition. So what's he supposed to say. That he hates the idea? Give me a break. Of course he's doing to defend it. That doesn't make it the right decision on their part; like it or not they sold out. Period. And the guys who did the Occulus Rift kickstarter way back when? Now those are the guys I feel bad for.

I also find it quite telling that he doesn't rule out the possibility of advertisements associated with the occulus rift. He says advertisements aren't a bad thing. That he likes product recommendations on amazon. Sorry, advertisements while in a VR situation aren't subtle like product suggestions on amazon. Instead of denying that it will happen, I think it's definitely going to happen. So let's just buy the occulus rift to be inundated with ads. Sounds like a great time.

I'm not sure how you can feel bad for the people who helped kickstart Oculus. Oculus promised them devkits if they donated 300 bucks and that's what they got. At that point their involvement with the company ended with that sale, they received what they were promised. As for ads being pushed into peoples faces I'm sure if that happens it will kill VR and simply nobody buys it. Easy.

And one more thing: John Carmack can't really be bought. The mans been sleeping on piles of money since the days of Doom. He's rich enough that if he doesn't like something he can just speak out about it.
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The more I see it ,there more I feel FB found in Oculus their own iconic gadget, like Google with glass.
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