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i wouldn't worry about this stuff overall. lots of companies now are making vr headsets, if oculus rift is lame someone else will pick up the slack.

it remains to be seen if this acquistion is a good thing or bad thing.
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I honestly dont' care if carmak is being paid to say this or actually believes it. Either way it's disturbing. keeping data in house about what people buy and advertising similar products is one thing. keep tabs on people then selling it to the highest bidder is completely different.

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I wonder, how much money does FB actually make per user? $1?

How many of you would be willing to pay, say, $10 or $20 a year for no ads? And would you stop complaining if that was the case? Then we all win, FB gets more money, we get the hardware cheaper, then slightly offset by the no-ad subscription and ad companies don't shell out money to advertise to those who would block them anyway.

Not to pick on moragg but this is meat and potatoes of what bugs me about advertisements. If we're talking about a free service then advertisements are ok, so long as they are tastefully done. For example, I don't pay OCN but I get the benefit of the community. OCN does put advertisements but unlike some forums, OCN's advertising is not intrusive.

When it comes to paid product however that's when advertisements become less acceptable. If i'm paying $300 for a device I don't want ads popping up. It doesn't matter what situation is going on (ex. loading screen). I don't want advertisements on a paid for product.
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I could care less about the data mining. Just about everyone does it. Yep, even your gaming console, and your cell phone carrier.

My problem is Facebook ruined Facebook. Seriously, the original Facebook was simple, and worked perfectly. Once they started adding clutter like games and all that annoying stuff, it went down hill fast.

I expect them to make the same mistake with everything they touch, which is why I am disappointed by this.
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I wonder, how much money does FB actually make per user? $1?

How many of you would be willing to pay, say, $10 or $20 a year for no ads? And would you stop complaining if that was the case? Then we all win, FB gets more money, we get the hardware cheaper, then slightly offset by the no-ad subscription and ad companies don't shell out money to advertise to those who would block them anyway.

Not to pick on moragg but this is meat and potatoes of what bugs me about advertisements. If we're talking about a free service then advertisements are ok, so long as they are tastefully done. For example, I don't pay OCN but I get the benefit of the community. OCN does put advertisements but unlike some forums, OCN's advertising is not intrusive.

When it comes to paid product however that's when advertisements become less acceptable. If i'm paying $300 for a device I don't want ads popping up. It doesn't matter what situation is going on (ex. loading screen). I don't want advertisements on a paid for product.

 

It's fine, I've been quite vocal in my defensive of this acquisition (after my initial knee-jerk reaction which was in line with everyone else's).

The thing is, I do think that the acquisition lowers the price of CV1 substantially, so that is the money being made up by advertising in my eyes. I also don't expect the ads to be intrusive because that would destroy the user experience, and at this early stage FB and Oculus know how damaging that would be. And later on, they're more likely to be personalised billboards when walking round virtual cities.

 

I agree with Carmack on this, I really don't see what's so bad about it.

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I could care less about the data mining. Just about everyone does it. Yep, even your gaming console, and your cell phone carrier.

This bothers me though. How much is too much? When does data mining become spying? Why can't I have the value of what my data is worth? Just because I click a box does it mean all my rights are waived and that data can be bought and sold as a commodity. I want our leaders to address this stuff, find out what is really being done with it and how it's being gathered but lately the highest bidder makes the rules so I have little to no faith that our data isn't being abused. This IMO is the real issue facing consumers on everything we do, everyone wants to gather our data and if it's that valuable then maybe we should be more aware of it and what "it" really is.
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This bothers me though. How much is too much? When does data mining become spying? Why can't I have the value of what my data is worth? Just because I click a box does it mean all my rights are waived and that data can be bought and sold as a commodity. I want our leaders to address this stuff, find out what is really being done with it and how it's being gathered but lately the highest bidder makes the rules so I have little to no faith that our data isn't being abused. This IMO is the real issue facing consumers on everything we do, everyone wants to gather our data and if it's that valuable then maybe we should be more aware of it and what "it" really is.

Our leaders (US) can't even agree on providing our people with proper affordable health care. SMH, I doubt they would ever get this right.
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I could care less about the data mining. Just about everyone does it. Yep, even your gaming console, and your cell phone carrier.

My problem is Facebook ruined Facebook. Seriously, the original Facebook was simple, and worked perfectly. Once they started adding clutter like games and all that annoying stuff, it went down hill fast.

I expect them to make the same mistake with everything they touch, which is why I am disappointed by this.

Facebooks in-house teams haven't covered themselves in glory alright but one would assume that whatever plans they have for the platform, they will get the Oculus team to interpret for the VR platform and implement.
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It's fine, I've been quite vocal in my defensive of this acquisition (after my initial knee-jerk reaction which was in line with everyone else's).
The thing is, I do think that the acquisition lowers the price of CV1 substantially, so that is the money being made up by advertising in my eyes. I also don't expect the ads to be intrusive because that would destroy the user experience, and at this early stage FB and Oculus know how damaging that would be. And later on, they're more likely to be personalised billboards when walking round virtual cities.

I agree with Carmack on this, I really don't see what's so bad about it.


With regards to the advertising my thoughts are along similar lines.

The things we enjoy on the internet that we dont pay for are only free because of advertising. Its simply a fact of life/economics. I only use adblock on youtube now and sites I am not a regular user off to prevent popups etc. Youtube because they overlay ads over the actual content. Why don't I use it everywhere? For the very reason that the adverts *ARE* targeted now. I see targeted advertising as a good thing, not a bad thing.

Then again, I'm from Ireland. I haven't grown up in a country were there is a commercial/ad break every 5 minutes during a TV show. It never ceases to amaze me to watch a US talk show go to a commercial and the show comes back only for the host to simply say goodnight and the credits to start rolling. Over here and the UK its about 2 minutes of adverts every 20 minutes or so.

In the US, increasing internet advertising might be the 'Straw that broke the camels back' with regard to US internet users tolerance for advertising so to speak.
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