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Guys, is there too much difference with Computer Science and Communication and Information Systems, which is better, which one makes more money and have wider work chances?
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Guys, is there too much difference with Computer Science and Communication and Information Systems, which is better, which one makes more money and have wider work chances?

I've asked you several times now what sides of IT you enjoy and what your skills are and you've ignored me every time. So given that, and the rudimentary questions you're asking, I can only deduce that you know less about computers than I know about speaking Portuguese. So to be quite honest mate, I don't think you're at the stage where you're capable to do any degree in IT.

My advice to you is take an evening class and learn some basic skills. Then you'll understand the questions you're asking and how to answer them.
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I've asked you several times now what sides of IT you enjoy and what your skills are and you've ignored me every time. So given that, and the rudimentary questions you're asking, I can only deduce that you know less about computers than I know about speaking Portuguese. So to be quite honest mate, I don't think you're at the stage where you're capable to do any degree in IT.

My advice to you is take an evening class and learn some basic skills. Then you'll understand the questions you're asking and how to answer them.

Plan9 sorry for any incovenience, actually i'm not ignoring yours and other's comments, it's only a bit confusing the whole IT field for it's complexity and you leave me thinking..,

i'm gonna be honest (if you have some patience, since i suspect you Northamericans are bit impatiente), actually i have an equivalent of Bachelor Degree in Systems Engineer in my own country wich is 5 years of studies along with 2 years of a kind of "community college". My problem is that in the begining, i though this was a more IT related stuff but it results for being a kind of Electro Mechanical degree with a ton of Chemical, Physics, Maths Laboratories, Mechanical, Control Modeling, heres my Curriculum





I did pretty good in all subjects but what really atract my interest was the whole "Computing" area, i had to program a LOT in Assembler for controlling microprocessor Intel x8086 in Digital Systems and laboratory my final project was a systems who calculated exactly how many seconds, days, months, and years have you live according to your birthday, along with annuncing the day of the week you was born, this one was really exciting for me since i had to study math theories and computer arquitecture to achieve this, the rest of subjects was "meh" for me.

Plus i like the technical topics related with computers, new processors, Chipsets, video cards, observing directly datasheets etc. I don't even like to play video games anymore. My last book reading was about quantum comptuting, since i love physics and maths. The other day i was checking the Cuda programming and i said wow dude this thing is good. And all the subjects of Computer Science Parallelism programming, Artificial Intelligence, Pathern recogniziton seems to be the hell cool. (Not telling i'm good at this though)

What i dont like too much about programming maybe is website devolpment, and finance application that's boring, i mean all day programming to have a dumb square wich you use for registering a number or buyers and save their info in a data base SQL. It's again a "meh" along with managing a software to grant IP numbers to users (aka midgets working in the company) or config an LDAP or active directory that's all boring, no science no maths i rather go study SCADA in controll modeling at least i'm gonna stay near to machines.

With that explained, the private job market in my country is 95% what you saw in the first post, i only could define this as computing systems services, mainly freelance contractors companies who work installing and later controlling these softwares for government institutions, banks, hardware stores, food stores, etc. There is a 4% of this kind of jobs for telecommunication engineers and only a 1% (or less) for what i studied wich is more like Electro Mechanics. That 95% of Computer Services is rulled by programmers, something my university didnt teach us.

So i'm now looking to do a master in something, and usefull for something So that's why i launched my question looking for free opinions and debates, and researching what is your first impression at reading the list, since it's likely you are all updated in the field.

So in general, i must admit i havent working experience enough to say i'm good at this or not, i like many subjects in general. Some more than others.
Edited by Sujeto 1 - 4/2/14 at 2:59pm
post #34 of 39
Financial application development is not boring.... some of it is on the very cutting edge of technology. For example.... ultra-low latency applications, cohesion across servers/datacenters, Big Data, CUDA, AI, etc.
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Thanks for the detailed reply. Sounds to me that your ideal job might require you moving to North America, is this something you'd consider?

Re my nationality, I'm not American; I'm English. Though it's Brits are very impatient too (and me particularly so)
post #36 of 39
Lots of good comments, just wanted to weight in.

Pretty much nothing you do explicitly in your college courses will apply directly to a real application for a job. You learn how to solve technical problems and then those skills transfer to over to other languages and applications. A degree in computer science focuses a lot on theory and math, teaching you the "right" way to do things, it doesn't teach you the newest, hippest language that all the developers are using, and you won't go in any real depth with any API, language, or any development tools.
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uni=gals... except in CIS :O
Besides, when it comes to writing code for large institutions (NASA, military, banking etc) one needs a thorough math background that is difficult to master without adequate study.
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Speaking form ignorance, NASA would probably only higher computer engineers, which is a significantly different degree than computer science and has a stronger emphasis on math in general. The military very probably doesn't do software development, so they higher independent government contractors to do development for them. The bigger banks may have an IT doing some development, but for any large scale systems they probably higher an outside company to do the development for them much like the military does.

Looking through your course list OP it seems you got something very similar to an electrical engineering degree here in the states. You can do lots of cool stuff with that, both in the US and abroad, but if you are more interested in algorithms and large scale systems you would need to pick up more programming skills. What you learned would apply a lot to a computer engineering degree, but if you went down that path you would probably end up coding in low level langauges for machines and the like or doing driver development or firmware code. Those are all really cool applications, but if you are more interested in algorithms and higher level system you would need a computer science degree, at least you would in the US.

You post makes it seem like you wouldn't like application development or web services, which is a big junk of the job market. If you want to stay closer to the hardware, data base development, in particular the optimization side of things, can be really cool. Cyber security or drive development might also suite you.
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Get a degree in Computer Science. In that, they will teach you VB, Java, C++ and some other stuff , but really what they are teaching you is the basics of programming. With the CS degree, you can get an entry level job in software development. Once you get a job, thats when you start learning these components. I know C# and C++, but at my new job, they have me working with javascript.

Most Certs are pretty useless IMO. Some places just hand them out because you gave them money. Anything where you can take a 1 week bootcamp class to get certified in, has very little to no value. CCNA falls in this category, and i am personally in-between on how i feel about that one. CCNP and CCIE i do value.

As for Degrees, those just show that you are capable of learning. I did 2 years of college and then took a break for a few years and ended up getting a job as a software developer. After a couple years of software development, I decided to finish up my degree, and the only classes that taught me anything were the non computer related ones like my legal courses and Finance. I finished my degree so i can get my MBA in a few years, but most people get a degree just to get their foot into the door. I was a software tester for a year and I created my own little projects to speed up my own work, I also talked to the software developers, and when they were hiring, i talked them into giving me a chance. I was also lucky that the hiring manager cared more about attitude than a degree.

For the most part, you get your generic degree , and you get a job in a field that you prefer. That job will start directing you into specializations until you change jobs for which that experience can help get you into those places. As you progress along this path, you will figure out what you would like to do in life.

.... I didnt want to be a software developer, i wanted to be a Network Engineer. I took all the CCNA courses at my college, and even the CCNP courses totaling to 28 college hours (Roughly a year full time), and i spent a year looking for a job, and never landed one... i just somehow ended up getting a job as a software tester and then developer which then became my profession.

YAY life stories!
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