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No video card?

It's the second item on the list. I used the term GPU for it.
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Avoid the following recommended PSUs in this thread:

 

Rosewill HIVE

 

The EVGA PSU

 

And the Thermaltake TR2.

 

Why?

 

The HIVE series have a +12V capacity that's so low that you could almost shave off 100W off of the advertised total capacity of any HIVE psu. Plus, the capacitors and other parts are of lower quality than the Rosewill CAPSTONE in the Rosewill Challenger. A lot lower.

 

The EVGA is another very low-quality PSU - worse than the Rosewill HIVE.

 

The Thermaltake is a possible junker, but you won't know until you receive it. See here:

 

http://www.overclock.net/t/652549/on-thermaltake-psus

 

Stay with either the Rosewill Capstone PSUs, or maybe the SeaSonic G Series or S12G. Or, Antec TruePower Classic, or XFX XTR. I mean, just don't waste money on the lower quality PSUs.

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post #23 of 32
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Avoid the following recommended PSUs in this thread:

Rosewill HIVE

The EVGA PSU

And the Thermaltake TR2.

Why?

The HIVE series have a +12V capacity that's so low that you could almost shave off 100W off of the advertised total capacity of any HIVE psu. Plus, the capacitors and other parts are of lower quality than the Rosewill CAPSTONE in the Rosewill Challenger. A lot lower.
http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/Rosewill-HIVE-650-W-Power-Supply-Review/1460/9
post #24 of 32
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Originally Posted by TwoCables View Post

Avoid the following recommended PSUs in this thread:

Rosewill HIVE

The EVGA PSU

And the Thermaltake TR2.

Why?

The HIVE series have a +12V capacity that's so low that you could almost shave off 100W off of the advertised total capacity of any HIVE psu. Plus, the capacitors and other parts are of lower quality than the Rosewill CAPSTONE in the Rosewill Challenger. A lot lower.

The EVGA is another very low-quality PSU - worse than the Rosewill HIVE.

The Thermaltake is a possible junker, but you won't know until you receive it. See here:

http://www.overclock.net/t/652549/on-thermaltake-psus

Stay with either the Rosewill Capstone PSUs, or maybe the SeaSonic G Series or S12G. Or, Antec TruePower Classic, or XFX XTR. I mean, just don't waste money on the lower quality PSUs.
Yeah whatever d00d,That's y i switched back to TR2 800 from a Rosewill Capstone gold..While the 12v may be fine on the Rosewills..the 5v is terribad..drives drop out n stuff thumbsdownsmileyanim.gif
PS:I bench with TR2-800..and have for years.0 problems.
 
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But look at the temperature. That's what the 40°C rating means. It means that as the PSU's internal temperature exceeds 40°C, its maximum output capacity decreases (temporarily, until the PSU cools down).

 

The PSUs I recommend are 50°C PSUs. Notice that their PSU was at 54°C, and the ambient had to be almost exactly 50°C in order to achieve that. Still, I think that this goes to show just how bad the HIVE PSUs can be. So, thank you.

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post #26 of 32
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Yeah whatever d00d,That's y i switched back to TR2 800 from a Rosewill Capstone gold..While the 12v may be fine on the Rosewills..the 5v is terribad..drives drop out n stuff thumbsdownsmileyanim.gif
PS:I bench with TR2-800..and have for years.0 problems.

 

Um... you had a defective unit. Sorry.

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post #27 of 32
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But look at the temperature. That's what the 40°C rating means. It means that as the PSU's internal temperature exceeds 40°C, its maximum output capacity decreases (temporarily, until the PSU cools down).

The PSUs I recommend are 50°C PSUs. Notice that their PSU was at 54°C, and the ambient had to be almost exactly 50°C in order to achieve that. Still, I think that this goes to show just how bad the HIVE PSUs can be. So, thank you.
if the temp ambient is higher you cant expect that a circuit that moves energy would be cooler...unless you are working with a TEC

Bad?if it were bad it would be at 55c under load.most of psu`s have optimal temperature at 40c

This capstone shut off at 52.4c
http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/Rosewill-CAPSTONE-550M-Power-Supply-Review/1584/9

Maybe the down sides are non japanese capacitors,higher ripple and maybe a bit old


PD.you forgot to say something about the psu I placed a HCG 620M
Edited by PontiacGTX - 4/1/14 at 7:36am
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if the temp ambient is higher you cant expect that a circuit that moves energy would be cooler...unless you are working with a TEC

Bad?if it were bad it would be at 55c under load.most of psu`s have optimal temperature at 40c

This capstone shut off at 52.4c
http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/Rosewill-CAPSTONE-550M-Power-Supply-Review/1584/9

Maybe the down sides are non japanese capacitors,higher ripple and maybe a bit old


PD.you forgot to say something about the psu I placed a HCG 620M

 

I didn't forget. I just didn't have anything to say. I also didn't know that you wanted me to say something. You have to ask.

 

The specs for the Capstone say that it's rated for 50 and the specs for the HIVE say 40, so I don't know.

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post #29 of 32
budget gaming machine and the same old song - better gpu card and loose the ssd.

same old story over and over again biggrin.gif
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Did anybody ask if this is going to someone who would be performance tuning or running stock?

I'll be happy to share a build recommendation but whether or not this will be performance tuned has a major impact on where the money should go.
     
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