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That is correct.However,more than 3 will not scale.
also:you will need to make a RAID0 array.

Cool cheers, so will my 4K random read/wrtie speeds double with another SSD in raid 0? Since thats what makes the desktop feel snappy right?
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Cool cheers, so will my 4K random read/wrtie speeds double with another SSD in raid 0? Since thats what makes the desktop feel snappy right?

No, and therein lies the problem with RAID 0. The 4K random read speed does not increase at all with two or more SSDs in RAID 0, and the 4K random read speed will usually decrease a bit compared to the single SSD 4K random read speed. Yes, the 4K random read speed is one aspect of a SSD's snappiness compared to a HDD.

That is what is always seen in AS SSD benchmarks of RAID 0 arrays when using the onboard AMD or Intel RAID. I have seen a few benchmarks that show otherwise (winsat, AIDA64) but I tend to believe what AS SSD shows, since RAID 0 volumes of SSDs used for the OS do not boot Windows faster than a single SSD. Usually the RAID 0 array will boot Windows slightly slower than a single SSD.

There is some controversy over that, but I have used RAID 0 arrays of several SSDs (Crucial M4, Samsung 830, Intel 520, OCZ Vertex 4) and I must agree there is little if any difference in boot speed compared to a single SSD.

4K random write speed does increase with a RAID 0 array, but that is at least partially due to write cache buffering in memory. You'll also see that happen with separate RAID cards, and a few will have higher 4K random read speeds, but that is also due caching.
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So the 600MB/s limit is per port? So if I buy another SSD for raid 0 it wont be limited by those speeds? Your only limited if the single driver goes over 600MB/s?

The 600MB/s limit for SATA III is a theoretical limit based on the fact that the SATA interface transmits 10 bits for each 8 bits of user data. So for the 6Gb/s (six Giga-Bits per second, or 6,000 Mega-Bits per second) maximum transmission speed of SATA III, divided by 10 bits for each 8 bit byte of user data (6000/10) we get 600MB/s.

But, that does not take into account the overhead of the file system process that is controlling the I/O activity, which slows things down, and other non-perfect aspects of the entire I/O system. So the real world maximum large file sequential read speed of the best SSDs is ~540MB/s. IMO, a sequential read speed of 500MB/s or more is a top performing SATA III SSD, once it becomes part of a PC's I/O system. We've had that for several years now since the introduction of SSDs like the Crucial M4 and the OCZ Vertex 3.

This also means you won't see 1,200MB/s sequential read speeds with two SSDs in RAID 0, since all the real world affects still apply. Benchmarks like ATTO that are a bit more generous in their testing method and results might show a result of ~1,100MB/s.

This is about the most impressive looking AS SSD result I had with two 256GB 830's in RAID 0:



Changing the stripe size of the RAID 0 array will change the results somewhat, trading some sequential speed for more high queue depth speeds. Just to compare with about the best I've had from a single 256GB 830:




Note the 4K read speeds of the RAID 0 and single 830.
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Also for the above a 128 GB Sammy 830 is slower than the 256GB Sammy 830, so you won't be able to get the same speeds as Parsec. This is because the 256GB drive has more Memory modules letting it have higher read and write speeds.

I'll try to get a bench for you today, my SSD is about %80 full so it should give you a good indication of usage speeds.
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This is a great thread. I too was debating whether I should get another 830 120gb for raid or just get an 840 256gb.
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This is a great thread. I too was debating whether I should get another 830 120gb for raid or just get an 840 256gb.

Well it seems getting another SSD for raid is pointless unless you move large number of files regularly, since the 4K random speeds wont go up unless you buy a brand new single drive. Least thats how I look at it.
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Ya, raid 0 SSD's are just fun for benchmarks for the majority of us users. Loading a program in 1 second or loading a program in .9 seconds with a Raid0 setup. Doesn't do much good in the real world.
Just fine plugging in a new drive and not dealing with the hassle of a new array.
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Ya, raid 0 SSD's are just fun for benchmarks for the majority of us users. Loading a program in 1 second or loading a program in .9 seconds with a Raid0 setup. Doesn't do much good in the real world.
Just fine plugging in a new drive and not dealing with the hassle of a new array.

What if I am satisfied with the speed but want double the capacity for a third of the cost?
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What if I am satisfied with the speed but want double the capacity for a third of the cost?

Just plug in the new drive and call it a day tongue.gif You would just be adding a new SSD to your system as opposed to setting up an array. You get the same capacity, but an extra drive letter.
My next drive will be another SSD I think.
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Oh for sure, I would never build a new pc without an SSD. In fact id favour it as the second most important part after a quality PSU.
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Just plug in the new drive and call it a day tongue.gif You would just be adding a new SSD to your system as opposed to setting up an array. You get the same capacity, but an extra drive letter.
My next drive will be another SSD I think.

Do you think the headache that comes with setting up raid is any worse than mapping a secondary drive?
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