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post #31 of 193
Not questioning the story but shouldn't this be in rumors due to the unconfirmed "we heard from unnamed sources" nature of the report?
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There could be an odd chance NVIDIA would release 28nm Maxwell cards, but I don’t really see that happening.

so these guys haven't heard about the 750 and 750ti yet?
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Originally Posted by Kuivamaa View Post

AMD is exactly on the same boat. Both team red and team green fab their GPUs over at TSMC. Unless AMD pulls a surprise and moves their GPUs to GloFo - something that I find extremely unlikely as it is doubtfoul that GloFo has an apropriate process for such a cause - they are equally affected by this delay.

That isn't going to happen. Global Foundries is largely to blame for Bulldozer and its failure to capture a significant chunk of the CPU market
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so these guys haven't heard about the 750 and 750ti yet?

Evidently not. smile.gif
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If u guys look at the performance/watt 750ti get, it is not ridiculous to get even GM110 on 28nm to call a generation. GM110 on 28nm is still significant gain from 780Ti

IMO Nvidia should have just stick Maxwell on 28nm & jump to 20nm in 2016 for Pascal
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I'm leaning towards Nvidia skipping 20nm personally.

http://www.extremetech.com/computing/123529-nvidia-deeply-unhappy-with-tsmc-claims-22nm-essentially-worthless

I realize the URL says 22nm but read the article.

Nvidia has the most to lose from bad processes or immature ones. They sort of depend on a giant die in order to be competitive, and the main reason why they are so successful in the high end is that they make giant dies and basically just brute for against AMD. It's essentially just a "MOAR COARS" approach, but it works a lot better because GPU workloads scale across thousands of cores much better than CPU workloads scale to 4 or more cores.

If Nvidia is unable to make a massive 500mm^2+ 20nm part by 2015 and AMD can make a 375mm^2 part or so, Nvidia is in serious trouble. I say this because AMD has a history of using their die size far more effectively. If Hawaii was as efficient per mm^2 as Kepler, it wouldn't be nearly as competitive at all.

Although, to be honest, I wouldn't be surprise if Nvidia did with like they did with Kepler, and released GM104 as the "high end" for a while, charged $550+ for it, then released GM100/GM110 as a new chip and move GM104 down a segment with a marketing model number bump.
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post #36 of 193
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nvidia dropping prices, doubt that one.

When the 295X2 releases, NVIDIA will release a 790 for "Only $1499" - half the price of Titan Z!
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Part of me wants this to be true. If it was, it would solve my present dilemma of whether or not to sell my 780 Ti.
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all these bad april fools jokes.
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AMD might release Pirate Islands before Maxwell at this rate if they do AMD is getting my money.

Doubtful, 2nd generation Maxwell and AMD 3xx series are the first cards expected to fully support DX12, and DX12 is not coming out until the end of next year, which means we most likely won't see cards until around that time (maybe a few months before).
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Well it does look like nVidia are reacting to some market / tech problems.
they replaced Volta with Pascal, moved unified memory from Maxwell to Pascal, and that's before even thinking about die processes.

They did however hit us with a surprise release this year with the 750/750ti
a cheap low-risk demonstration of their advances in performance/watt which while being a low end card has been well received, if a little overhyped, I don't think many people want to play 1080p at medium settings at 38fps.. but it's a start.

Then there is the continuing problem of software not really demanding that much more from a GPU.
Moving from my aging GTX 570 to an R9 290 has seen a significant boost in performance and I can now run things on ultra settings which is great for ooh-ahhh eye candy but doesn't do much else apart from slightly smoother gameplay, indeed much lesser GPU's would afford the same experience, such as the Geforce 760/770 or R9 270X/280X.

So maybe they are just saving their new tech for software to be more demanding while milking their existing and cheaper to make tech, unfortunately 'next gen' consoles are not doing us any favours by not really being as next gen as they should be.

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